Cantando and Carmeli, need opinions

cbi1000

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Hello,

I've never been able to hit with either a Cantando or a Carmeli. Those of you who have will you please leave some feedback.

Where do they balance at?

Hard, soft, or meduim hit?

The ivory joints, are the sleeve, piloted, or full on block of ivory?

How are they to work with if\when you order from them?

Pins?

thanks everyone for the help.

Craig
 
Craig, Ariel Carmeli still comes in to my place on occasion. I owned one of his cues for about five years and was very happy with it. The pin is a 3/8" screw into wood, and the hit I would say is probably on the medium to soft side, with a lot of feel in the shot. The cue is well-balanced and the inlay is clean and even. I'm no expert on cues, but his cues are definitely above average. No warpage in the five years, and the person I sold it to last year loves it.
 
location

Danny, I see you're from Fullerton. Is Ariel from Santa Ana?

Danny Kuykendal said:
Craig, Ariel Carmeli still comes in to my place on occasion. I owned one of his cues for about five years and was very happy with it. The pin is a 3/8" screw into wood, and the hit I would say is probably on the medium to soft side, with a lot of feel in the shot. The cue is well-balanced and the inlay is clean and even. I'm no expert on cues, but his cues are definitely above average. No warpage in the five years, and the person I sold it to last year loves it.
 
You can't go wrong with AC

Both of these cuemakers make a superior product.

Both cues tend to hit very stiff. The Cantando, a bit more stiff and with a bit more sound. Both shoot very straight with little deflection.

The major difference, in my opinion, isn't playability as much as availability. Carmelli cues are easy to find and affordable to own. They are beautiful and play great. They are an excellent value as personal players and occasionally, Ariel rolls out an unbelievable work of art that impresses all.

Cantando cues are rare...all rare. I doubt Art has made 200 cues for the market in total. They are highly collectable and each quite distinct from one another. We see them often on AZ but that is misleading...they are rarely seen anywhere else. If you want a collectable or an investment, Cantando is the best choice in my opinion.

Lastly, I met both cuemakers. Ariel, only briefly, at a trade show. I commented on his razer sharp ivory inlays in his ringwork to which he replied: "yea, we've got that program down." Before hearing that, I never dreamed that Carmelli cues used CNC. I know for a fact that Art Cantando fits every inlay by hand with a manual pantograph.

That all being said, I have never owned a Carmelli. I have hit with several and liked each...I am sure I will own one some day. I have bought every Cantando cue that Art has offered me. And I will buy any other cues he offers me. His is a household name in casa de Drawman.

Cantando box cue
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Give Bill at Cornerstone a call. He has both and can probably help and would be willing to sell you one.
 
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