Carbide Sanding Mandrels

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I have been thinking about pulling the trigger on some mandrels 3/8 10 @ .840 finish size but I have a couple of questions that maybe some of you fine cue builders can help me with.

First, do you really need a sanding and finish size?

Second, how long of a carbide sleeve would be the minimum length that you would consider?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
I have been thinking about pulling the trigger on some mandrels 3/8 10 @ .840 finish size but I have a couple of questions that maybe some of you fine cue builders can help me with.

First, do you really need a sanding and finish size?

Second, how long of a carbide sleeve would be the minimum length that you would consider?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

1. Most will say no, just a finish size

2. .50

3. you didn't ask this, but many might also suggest the butt portion be tapered to avoid any "digging'.
 
1. Most will say no, just a finish size

2. .50

3. you didn't ask this, but many might also suggest the butt portion be tapered to avoid any "digging'.

Pretty much this ^. Mine aren't tapered & I have no trouble, but I have not used tapered so I cannot comment on whether or not it helps. I will say that a good set of arbors can allow you to get dead nuts perfect joint seams, but just because you have arbors doesn't mean you will get that good of results. It took me a little while to get the technique down and it was frustrating because I wasn't getting the results I thought I should get with arbors. After some practice & determination, I found a way to get it virtually perfect.
 
I would talk with John Rocker (Rocket Cues) he made my set and the price was right and he could fill in the blanks. The sanding madrels he made he are exelent quality.
 
mandrels

I would talk with John Rocker (Rocket Cues) he made my set and the price was right and he could fill in the blanks. The sanding madrels he made he are exelent quality.

I second that. John's mandrels are the nuts!!! You won't get better quality.
 
I just got the call from John
My mandrels are on the way!
Can't wait to use them :)
 
Sanding mandrel problems

Well, I have had rather less luck with John Rocker (RocketQ) so far.
Seven months ago I ordered TAPERED sanding mandrels from John. He asked me for the diameter and taper specs and I sent them.
After repeated delays, I finally received the mandrels yesterday.
Guess what? After all these months of waiting...NO TAPER!!!
Also, there is a small but obvious lip between the two halves...at least one half is not concentric.
I have had this same size non-tapered mandrels, made by Tom Migliori, for years; they are extremely nice. I did not need any more. The whole purpose for this transaction was to get TAPERED mandrels. It would have been a nice upgrade.
I have heard for years what a stand-up guy John is and how good the quality was on his products, and I would like to believe that. But right now I am not too happy.
It would be good to hear that the wrong ones were sent by mistake, but so far, no word from John.

Robin Snyder
 
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1. Most will say no, just a finish size

2. .50

3. you didn't ask this, but many might also suggest the butt portion be tapered to avoid any "digging'.


Hi Randy-
How did you like those 3/8-10 mandrels I lent you? Have you had time to use them?
Those were made by Tom Migliori. I bought 4 sets from him years ago and I thought they were fantastic quality, with absolutely no ridge between halves. That's why I sent 'em. I wanted to show off Tom's great work, and I don't use this size often. Handy to have around though.
What do you think? Are these excellent, or what?
Too bad they are not tapered. Still, great quality.

Robin Snyder
 
Hi Randy-
How did you like those 3/8-10 mandrels I lent you? Have you had time to use them?
Those were made by Tom Migliori. I bought 4 sets from him years ago and I thought they were fantastic quality, with absolutely no ridge between halves. That's why I sent 'em. I wanted to show off Tom's great work, and I don't use this size often. Handy to have around though.
What do you think? Are these excellent, or what?
Too bad they are not tapered. Still, great quality.

Robin Snyder

I think they are fantastic. A bit over my desired OD, but perfect in every other way. Let me know when you want them back and I'll send em out immediately. I think he made the maintenance arbors for Atlas and I have a full set of those. I find those impressive as well.
 
I think they are fantastic. A bit over my desired OD, but perfect in every other way. Let me know when you want them back and I'll send em out immediately. I think he made the maintenance arbors for Atlas and I have a full set of those. I find those impressive as well.


Randy- Hang on to those mandrels for now,; I'll let you know if I need 'em. You won't wear 'em out.
I also have those maintenance arbors. Same ultra-high quality.
Tom is a great guy and is from my old stompin' grounds, better yet.

Robin Snyder
 
Well, I have had rather less luck with John Rocker (RocketQ) so far.
Seven months ago I ordered TAPERED sanding mandrels from John. He asked me for the diameter and taper specs and I sent them.
After repeated delays, I finally received the mandrels yesterday.
Guess what? After all these months of waiting...NO TAPER!!!
Also, there is a small but obvious lip between the two halves...at least one half is not concentric.
I have had this same size non-tapered mandrels, made by Tom Migliori, for years; they are extremely nice. I did not need any more. The whole purpose for this transaction was to get TAPERED mandrels. It would have been a nice upgrade.
I have heard for years what a stand-up guy John is and how good the quality was on his products, and I would like to believe that. But right now I am not too happy.
It would be good to hear that the wrong ones were sent by mistake, but so far, no word from John.

Robin Snyder

Usually, more than one day should pass after receiving the product, noticing the product has some issues and then letting the maker have a chance to make good, as we all make mistakes, before dumping it into the public forum. I understand not being happy, but give the guy a chance to atleast respond and make good before badmouthing his product publicly. Just my thoughts on it. I have only heard good things about John, INCLUDING fixing anything that was amiss. Again, we all make mistakes, it's how we handle them that is important. IMO, this post is a bit premature....
Hope all works out,
Dave
 
Dave- You're right, I was fast on the draw, but my agreement with John was so specific, and over such a LONG period of time....Seven months!!

There seems to be a big resurgence of interest in sanding mandrels lately and lots of people who have either had bad experiences with others who were selling them or have heard about them on the forum are asking about mandrels and seem anxious to obtain them. If honest reportage is detrimental to anyone, perhaps think about the customers! Once again after months of waiting I'm out of pocket for something advertised as one thing and delivered as another. This has gotten old.

I can see how non-tapered mandrels could have been shipped by mistake instead of the correct tapered ones but then there's that troublesome misalignment between the halves of the mandrels. It's not big, but it's obvious. On non-tapered mandrels, which these are, one would think that they would be ground together to ensure a perfect match. These were not, and the miss-match is small, but obvious. I can do the job well with no mandrels at all. Why would I want fixtures that would not give me the precision I can get using none at all?

I think everyone deserves accurate information on products they spend their money on. I'm not jumping up and down screaming "RIPOFF!" I'm saying I didn't get what I ordered after a long wait and it was not made accurately to boot. Would you rather I waited until after others experience the same problem?

If you go back and look at my posts on the subject, I have been mentioning John Rocker (RocketQ) and his excellent reputation for a long time as a possible source for mandrels, and I looked forward to giving a great review. It gives me no pleasure at all to report anything to the contrary but there it is.

I don't think anyone's reputation has ever been tarnished by someone saying "Well, at first it was no good but he made it right and there was a happy ending. What a stand-up guy!"

Mistakes happen, we all know that, and if that's all it is, then I will report that and sing praises of John to everyone, but so far, I don't have any praises to sing.

I review every product I obtain through this forum. I have no ax to grind with John or anyone else...I just want to receive what I was promised.

I could have waited until this is finally resolved one way or another and then reported on it but look: I sent my specs, made my order, waited seven months, and got something that is not at all what we agreed on. This could happen to others. I think it's reasonable to mention it. I'm not gunning for John...just the opposite! I wish him the best of success, as I always have. But in return he has to do his part...that's how it works!

Dave, you have always been a reasonable guy on here and I value your input as food for thought, but I think it is not too much to expect to receive something that lives up to the reputation of the manufacturer. Someone's reputation is the net opinion after considering all factors. Let's not leave out any.

I have substantial loyalty to the members of this forum and I think it's only fair that I give accurate, un-biased reporting. This is NOT a hatchet-job on John.

Hopefully this will all turn out fine but it's off to a rough start.

Robin Snyder
 
Usually, more than one day should pass after receiving the product, noticing the product has some issues and then letting the maker have a chance to make good, as we all make mistakes, before dumping it into the public forum. I understand not being happy, but give the guy a chance to atleast respond and make good before badmouthing his product publicly. Just my thoughts on it. I have only heard good things about John, INCLUDING fixing anything that was amiss. Again, we all make mistakes, it's how we handle them that is important. IMO, this post is a bit premature....
Hope all works out,
Dave

I don't think Robyn is showing malice here. Inasmuch as he simply posted the facts of his disappointment, he will most certainly post his elation when this is finally resolved.

I remember when he ordered these 7 months ago and have been asking him periodically about their status, so I have a little idea of how frustrated he actually is.

I don't know John, but know OF John and I figure this will all be worked out to everyone's satisfaction.
 
There is a simple solution. Pick up the phone and call me.


John

Well, I would have if I had had your number! We did business by PM here.

Anyhow, I got a PM from John this morning. He tells me that it was a simple mistake and if I return the mandrels all will be made right. Fair enough.
John tells me he deleted his PM's and did not have the spec which I sent him, which I have now re-sent.

I'll be a happy camper if I finally get tapered mandrels with the OD of both halves perfectly concentric with the screw. I still look forward to posting that glowing review!

John is somewhat pissed at me for posting this so swiftly. Perhaps he and Dave, who also objected, are right, but I see no problem with reporting a squeaky deal completely from start to finish. I'm not mad at John for the further delay, but I suppose I could not hide my frustration. I certainly did not expect a 7 month + wait. And then this!!
In the end, it's a good outcome that counts.

These mandrels will be a nice upgrade to my process when all is finally OK.

I'm in Las Vegas now watching the 1 pocket and 10 ball US opens, and BCA Nationals. Much great pool! The internet connection is iffy, but I'm having a great time.

Robin Snyder
 
sanding mandrels

I got mine from Blud about 7 years ago. If he is still in business I highly
recommend his carbide mandrels. They are tapered and the halves mate perfectly. I use two sets, a sanding set and a finishing set.
 
Well believe it or not I have to go back to San Francisco tomorrow AM and return in a couple days. Just under 600 miles each way but I have to do it. Important stuff. OOOF!
So I'll be back some time this side of Friday. It will be swell to meet you guys.

Bob, thanks for the mention of Blud's mandrels. I've seen them...very nice.
I don't think he still makes them but John's mandrels will do me fine if all goes as planned.

I wanna spend more time building cues and less stressing over things like this.
I'll be glad when it's all sorted out.

Robin Snyder
 
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