Carom aiming

8pack

8pack

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Just wondering if there's any method out there that gives you a since on creating certain paths off the ob .I already use the tangent line and practice creating certain angles off a half ball hit.Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks Anthony
 
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Caroms can be an important tool or weapon in one's game. I employ them every time a play. I learned them naturally & do not 'really' have a system that I can convey well via text. I know Dr. Dave has some very good info & guidelines.

Good Luck with them,
 
ENGLISH! said:
Caroms can be an important tool or weapon in one's game. I employ them every time a play. I learned them naturally & do not 'really' have a system that I can convey well via text. I know Dr. Dave has some very good info & guidelines.

Good Luck with them,
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I agree .
I played for the longest time by just feel before stumbling onto the tangent line.Then I started practicing with the half ball hit,just wanted a reference point to learn that could get me close to a certain line through practicing.

Anthony
 
If you edge to center and pivot to center from the inside and shoot with stun english (low vs speed = 0 upon contact), that takes you to the adjacent corner (scratch on a pocketed table).

Knowing that, you can then use tips of high/low to come forward / back a diamond to hit a desired track.

I don't know sh1t about 3c tracks/patterns so that's where I get lost. If someone knows where they want to go-- the above might help.

Where that method ends, you can shoot at the back of the OB to find the line to the rail (in line w/ the spot on the wall).

Good thread, btw. I'd like to hear what others do.
 
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If you edge to center and pivot to center from the inside and shoot with stun english (low vs speed = 0 upon contact), that takes you to the adjacent corner (scratch on a pocketed table).

Knowing that, you can then use tips of high/low to come forward / back a diamond to hit a desired track.

I don't know sh1t about 3c tracks/patterns so that's where I get lost. If someone knows where they want to go-- the above might help.

Where that method ends, you can shoot at the back of the OB to find the line to the rail (in line w/ the spot on the wall).

Good thread, btw. I'd like to hear what others do.
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Sounds interesting Dave maybe you can do a video or diagram it.
Not sure of where your aiming.
 
8pack said:
Just wondering if there's any method out there that gives you a since on creating certain paths off the ob .I already use the tangent line and practice creating certain angles off a half ball hit.Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks Anthony
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I don't now if this is something like what you're looking for? See post #23 on the following page:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=3481350#post3481350

The method gives the direction of the cueball once it reaches natural roll. But you have to imagine the curved path before it reaches the roll state (i.e., how far it will be offset parallel to the constructed direction.)

Dr. Dave's trisect method for draw shots is an excellent system and I think you've probably seen several methods for the cases where the cueball is fully rolling before impact with the object ball.

Jim
 
Well,

the one, who really *mastered* the tangent-line, is already a very big step further. 30 % (peace sign) is another great helper for seeing, measuring and understanding. And then next step is practicing the carom abilities depending onusing draw-shot. Here Dr. Dave has also nice small videos.

Next to these things i m using +2 system for kicking, two 3c systems for 3-5 rails-
And finally, the most important several reference shots.

If you have special things Anthony you wanna practice-- send me an example what you re looking for via email and i ll try to help ya out my friend,

lg
Ingo
 
SpiderWebComm said:
If you edge to center and pivot to center from the inside and shoot with stun english (low vs speed = 0 upon contact), that takes you to the adjacent corner (scratch on a pocketed table).

Knowing that, you can then use tips of high/low to come forward / back a diamond to hit a desired track.

I don't know sh1t about 3c tracks/patterns so that's where I get lost. If someone knows where they want to go-- the above might help.

Where that method ends, you can shoot at the back of the OB to find the line to the rail (in line w/ the spot on the wall).

Good thread, btw. I'd like to hear what others do.
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Dave are you saying 90/c if you were using Ron's method here?
 
8pack said:
Dave are you saying 90/c if you were using Ron's method here?
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Very close. If you sight straight down the CTEL----and you're perfectly on it----- due to distance the inside edge of the CB will appear to the inside of the OB center. Shift your eyes slightly to the inside so that visually the edge to center is aligned (slight visual correction). If you offset to the inside and then pivot to center, stun takes you to the adjacent pocket, if a natural angle to the pocket is possible. Meaning, if the OB is kissed to the short rail, clearly it won't.

Let me know how you make out. I'll be at the SBE this year if you can't make it--- I'll show you how it works. Playing "scratch pool," etc, this is a huge huge thing to know.
 
Don't forget the cueball with have some english after it contacts the first ball. Adjust accordingly, the same as your would on a combination. It's helpful to have outside english on the cb when it strikes the carom ball.
 
Here's what I do, and it has worked very well for me over the years. Don't know or care if it works on paper or not.

Draw a line from where you want to hit on the second ob to the center of the first ob. Now, from where you probably are at, that line will come into the back of the first ob. Aim the center of the cb there with follow and you should get the carom you want.
 
Scratch pool is the best thing for carom aiming

SpiderWebComm said:
Very close. If you sight straight down the CTEL----and you're perfectly on it----- due to distance the inside edge of the CB will appear to the inside of the OB center. Shift your eyes slightly to the inside so that visually the edge to center is aligned (slight visual correction). If you offset to the inside and then pivot to center, stun takes you to the adjacent pocket, if a natural angle to the pocket is possible. Meaning, if the OB is kissed to the short rail, clearly it won't.

Let me know how you make out. I'll be at the SBE this year if you can't make it--- I'll show you how it works. Playing "scratch pool," etc, this is a huge huge thing to know.
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Great advice! Scratch pool is the best thing for carom aiming. imho
 
I learned a lot of this from playing 3C for years. Just becomes natural after a while, visualizing the tangent line is huge and then learning how to blend the hit, speed, and english to bend the ball into the same line and play position, avoid kisses, etc.

No 3C equipment by me, but next time I get a chance to play I'm sure I will use some aiming concepts I've learned as well, for instance on thin hits and certain shots where the angle I need happens to require sending the first ball toward a corner. Otherwise I find seeing the thickness of hit I need to send the cueball down the intended line to be fairly easy to judge with a decent amount of practice.

Scott
 
Ratta said:
Well,

the one, who really *mastered* the tangent-line, is already a very big step further. 30 % (peace sign) is another great helper for seeing, measuring and understanding. And then next step is practicing the carom abilities depending onusing draw-shot. Here Dr. Dave has also nice small videos.

Next to these things i m using +2 system for kicking, two 3c systems for 3-5 rails-
And finally, the most important several reference shots.

If you have special things Anthony you wanna practice-- send me an example what you re looking for via email and i ll try to help ya out my friend,




lg
Ingo
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Ingo is the plus 2 for caroming?

Any help is a appreciated .

Thanks Anthony
 
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Neil said:
Here's what I do, and it has worked very well for me over the years. Don't know or care if it works on paper or not.

Draw a line from where you want to hit on the second ob to the center of the first ob. Now, from where you probably are at, that line will come into the back of the first ob. Aim the center of the cb there with follow and you should get the carom you want.
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Neil, not sure I'm following you here.When you say the line goes back of the first ob is that towards you?Or straight through the ob.
 
The plus 2 system is usually for kicking, not caroming. I put together a write up on it, if you want to know more you can check out poolstudent.com and go to the instruction section or search for kicking.

Scott
 
8pack said:
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Neil, not sure I'm following you here.When you say the line goes back of the first ob is that towards you?Or straight through the ob.
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To the contact point on the farther ob. edit: sorry about the size and it being sideways, still learning!
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There are some fairly simple & basic caroms via the tangent line & the split finger victory or peace sign.

However, the contact points for those are not always accessible due to partially blocking balls & being hooked by pocket points. In these cases as well as when the path to the 2nd. ball is sometimes partially obstructed, the thing to keep in mind is the use of english. Low inside/outside & high inside/outside english can be valuable tools in the accomplishment of a desired carom that may at first seem unattainable.

Obviously these shots take practice in order to obtain a feel for just how to get a cue ball or object ball to go where one wants it to go while caroming off a ball with some diagonal spin.

Just my $0.05 worth.
 
ENGLISH! said:
There are some fairly simple & basic caroms via the tangent line & the split finger victory or peace sign.

However, the contact points for those are not always accessible due to partially blocking balls & being hooked by pocket points. In these cases as well as when the path to the 2nd. ball is sometimes partially obstructed, the thing to keep in mind is the use of english. Low inside/outside & high inside/outside english can be valuable tools in the accomplishment of a desired carom that may at first seem unattainable.

Obviously these shots take practice in order to obtain a feel for just how to get a cue ball or object ball to go where one wants it to go while caroming off a ball with some diagonal spin.

Just my $0.05 worth.
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Rick (or anyone else),

Please clarify. I am confused by your statement indicating inside/outside affecting a carom angle (should be highlighted in blue above in your quoted text). I was under that the impression that only low/high on the CB changed the direction of the carom angle, and inside/outside spin only changed the direction of the CB's path AFTER contact with a rail? Is this not correct?

Maybe I have been wrong all these years, but the only way I see right or left english impacting the carom angle (slightly) is if you elevate and swerve to change the contact point on the first OB?

Thanks.

~Razor
 
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