Carom Shaft Tapers??

[Quesports]

I purchased a cheap carom cue with two shafts a while ago to replace my Kao Fa (KF Cue) after it warped. The two shafts are huge (wood threads) and I need to have them turned down. Can any of the experienced billiard players give me some advice on shaft tapers?? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!!!
Dan

 

[csarda1]

.-first define "Huge" please.

Anyway, the carom/3 cushion Taper is conical, or almost conical (constant taper), 12 mm tip or a little less.

This is the way they have to be.

Stiffer than a pool cue, I can't play with another taper.

 

[Quesports]

Certainly!!

.-first define "Huge" please.

Anyway, the carom/3 cushion Taper is conical, or almost conical (constant taper), 12 mm tip or a little less.

This is the way they have to be.

Stiffer than a pool cue, I can't play with another taper.

Thanks for your response, here are the measurements in 3 inch increments starting at the ferrule. 12.10 / 12.26 /12.76 /14.66 17.25 /19.59 /20.59 /21.28 /21.36...

 

[csarda1]

Is it conical?

Looks like it, 12 mm at the tip.

If it's conical, that's the the way it should be.

Please, don't destroy a good stiff carom taper with a toothpick weak pool "Pro" taper.

Forget about "low deflection special prototypes Hybrids" pool shafts, there is no lowest deflection or stiffest shaft than one with a carom conical taper (with a short ferrule).

Shaft manufacturers like predator and McDermott are using that taper with th Z series and i3, respectively.


Well, is your cue, you can do as you please.

 

[3kushn]

Is it conical?

Looks like it, 12 mm at the tip.

If it's conical, that's the the way it should be.

Please, don't destroy a good stiff carom taper with a toothpick weak pool "Pro" taper.

Forget about "low deflection special prototypes Hybrids" pool shafts, there is no lowest deflection or stiffest shaft than one with a carom conical taper (with a short ferrule).

Shaft manufacturers like predator and McDermott are using that taper with th Z series and i3, respectively.


Well, is your cue, you can do as you please.

Seems like what you want for a carom shaft. I suppose if you find someone that really knows what they're doing they could make a very small change. But what's been said already you need much more spine in the shaft playing 3C and the heavier balls.

You'll get used to the feel in time.

 

[Quesports]

seems big

I don't know, the size at 6 inches it is 12.76mm and at 12 inches it is 17.25mm just feels like a telephone pole. At 15 inches it is 19.59mm..
Dan

 

[csarda1]

My friend, as we already told you:

That's the way a carom taper is and that's the way it should be.


You have three choices:

1.- Get used to the feeling.

2.- Find a cuesmith and make him RUIN the best taper there is with a spineless and weak "pro" taper.

(if you make a pro taper in a 12mm tip's shaft, you will end up with a toothpick)

3.- Sell that cue and buy a genuine pool cue with the weak and spineless pool taper, but at least it will be 13mm, not 12.

 

[billiardshot]

I don't know, the size at 6 inches it is 12.76mm and at 12 inches it is 17.25mm just feels like a telephone pole. At 15 inches it is 19.59mm..
Dan

Quesport, other than talk with Dieckman. This fact sheet from Schuler Cue on Their shafts might help:

Schuler Carom Shafts

Ad Shaft Taper. Newly designed 3 cushion taper, identical to the constant tapper shaft except adding more comfort. 27.5" long x 11.75mm ferrule and tip diameter. Elforyn ferrule material. This shaft has a conical shape from joint to tip.

CONSTANT STANDARD TAPER SHAFT. Designed for 3 cushion. Most popular shaft for carom billiards. 27.5" long x 12mm ferrule and tip diameter. Elforyn ferrule material. This shaft has a conical shape from joint to tip.

European Taper grows quickly from ferrule, with even faster growth at midsection of the shaft. Flex point is forward, providing maximum"spine" without sacrificing comfort. Also known as the "Cuelemans" taper.
27.5 x 12mm Eflyron ferrule material Triangle tip.

Super Constant Shaft. The Super Constant Shaft is the strongest shaft Schuler makes. The shaft has an Eliptical shape, adding material in the middle of the shaft. Excellent for controling the cue ball on ultra fast carom tables.

 

[csarda1]

.- All of the above are conical or almost conical tapers, Being the "less" conical the European taper, that's what I have in my cue.

But I'm switching back to pure conical shafts.

For me, any other taper than pure 100% conical is not enough.

I'm also going back to wooden joint, rear balance, ETC, in other words, a classical carom /3 cushion cue.

I've tried several kinds of joints and tapers but never been totally satisfied.


I purchased a cheap carom cue with two shafts a while ago to replace my Kao Fa

.- BTW, what cue did you buy?

 

[Snookered007]

The taper on my Kilby was designed for national champion Mazin Shooni. This wood joint shaft specs are recorded every three inches from the ferrule. 12.38/12.53/12.95/13.44/14.37/15.50/16.84/18.55/20.51/22.35
This taper is very playable and provides a great hit with plenty of spine.

Hope this helps,

 

[Black-Balled]

The taper on my Kilby was designed for national champion Mazin Shooni. This wood joint shafts specs are recorded every three inches from the ferrule. 12.38/12.53/12.95/13.44/14.37/15.50/16.84/18.55/20.51/22.35
This taper is very playable and provides a great hit with plenty of spine.

Hope this helps,

I have the Shooni taper too...thumbs up!

I also have standard carom tapered shafts and prefer the Shooni, coming to 3c from pool.

 

[csarda1]

.- It also depends on the length of the shaft.

If you play with a shorter shaft (like 67cm for libre) you'll feel more the "violent" constant taper than in one of 70 or 71.

 

[seven]

ok.. ill will help. if you plan on playing korean 4 ball. keep the cue as is. korean 4 ball uses an even bigger ball than that for 3 cushion.
if you will be playing 3 cushion. yes. that shaft is wayyyy too thick
have someone sand the shaft down till the tip is 11mm to 11.5mm.
notice i said "sand the shaft down" the taper will remain the same but the diameter will get smaller. other than that. you will just have to get used to the conical taper. it took me quite some time before i got comfortable with it. you do have 2 more options though.
1) play 3 cushion with a pool cue. alot of old players that i know use pool cues to play. i tried it.. and its not for me.

2)Use a predator Z shaft for 3 cushion. i used one for about a year. and had no problems with the shaft. i believe Robert Raidford also uses a Z shaft for 3C.

 

[Quesports]

The taper on my Kilby was designed for national champion Mazin Shooni. This wood joint shafts specs are recorded every three inches from the ferrule. 12.38/12.53/12.95/13.44/14.37/15.50/16.84/18.55/20.51/22.35
This taper is very playable and provides a great hit with plenty of spine.

Hope this helps,

GREAT POST!! Exactly the info I was hoping to see, and that could be shared about carom shaft tapers. It does support my feelings that there is to big a jump in my taper also. My shafts increase 5mm in just six inches. If I read your figures correctly yours increases much more gradually over the same area with only a 2mm increase in thickness.
Thanks for the figures!!!
Dan

 

[Snookered007]

GREAT POST!! Exactly the info I was hoping to see, and that could be shared about carom shaft tapers. It does support my feelings that there is to big a jump in my taper also. My shafts increase 5mm in just six inches. If I read your figures correctly yours increases much more gradually over the same area with only a 2mm increase in thickness.
Thanks for the figures!!!
Dan

Thank you Dan, Yes, you are reading the specs correctly. Glad i could be of help.

 

[Texas Carom Club]

Quesport, other than talk with Dieckman. This fact sheet from Schuler Cue on Their shafts might help:

Schuler Carom Shafts

Ad Shaft Taper. Newly designed 3 cushion taper, identical to the constant tapper shaft except adding more comfort. 27.5" long x 11.75mm ferrule and tip diameter. Elforyn ferrule material. This shaft has a conical shape from joint to tip.

CONSTANT STANDARD TAPER SHAFT. Designed for 3 cushion. Most popular shaft for carom billiards. 27.5" long x 12mm ferrule and tip diameter. Elforyn ferrule material. This shaft has a conical shape from joint to tip.

European Taper grows quickly from ferrule, with even faster growth at midsection of the shaft. Flex point is forward, providing maximum"spine" without sacrificing comfort. Also known as the "Cuelemans" taper.
27.5 x 12mm Eflyron ferrule material Triangle tip.

Super Constant Shaft. The Super Constant Shaft is the strongest shaft Schuler makes. The shaft has an Eliptical shape, adding material in the middle of the shaft. Excellent for controling the cue ball on ultra fast carom tables.


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Are there dimensions for these tapers anywhere?