CB weights

Pidge said:
Been to play at a pool hall I've never played at today with a friend. They used the red logo aramith CB and moving the CB around became such an effort. They felt heavy and unresponsive. Drawing the CB when CB OB distance was greater than 3ft was tough...real tough. The CB seemed to just want to either stop or follow. I'd hit as low as possible without miscueing the length of the table as hard as I could and it resulted in a stop shot. If I did this on my table with a measles CB I'd draw back to the shot rail atleast.

The tables weren't in great condition either so maybe it was the tables. Very worn cloth with a few stains.

So what I want to know, is there any weight difference between the measles and red logo CBs? Or was it poor table conditions?

Cheers.
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My set of Super Aramith Pros came with the red logo ball as standard. The red logo ball is just as you describe - heavy and unresponsive compared to the measles ball. It weighs the same as the set, and the same as the measles ball. I doubt you're playing with a fake or it's a problem with the cloth.

I've often seen people on here describe the red logo'd ball as being more maneuverable than the measles ball - Americans, eh? ;)
 
ctyhntr said:
Sean,

Thanks for correcting me. I haven't seen the red logo one, just the blue that came with Aramith Pros.

Right now there seems to be alot of interests in cueballs. Other than weight, what other variables can we measure to back up opinions?
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FYI, actually the blue logo comes with the Aramith *Premium* set. One of the poolhalls I frequent has all those sets. The Aramith Super Pro set comes with the red logo ball, also called the Super Aramtih Pro Cue ball. This ball is a standard weight, typically about 5.95 oz. They are usually a very slight yellowish white. Definitely not white white. This ball has their super polished finish, which makes it great at resisting stains and whatnot, but also makes it slippery. It draws just fine. Chances are it was other conditions, or maybe your stroke was just off that day...just not hitting low.

Anyway, hope it helps,

KMRUNOUT
 
KMRUNOUT said:
Speaking of nonsense...wow man. I'm sure you can't help it...

KMRUNOUT
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Do you think the forum needs to hear the whining every time a player runs into a new cueball, a new table, new cloth, new balls, new chalk, a new tip, a new cue, changes in temperature, changes in humidity, changes in lighting etc....

What is the usefulness of this type of message?
 
ChrisBanks said:
Ask yourself what does a pool player do if he enters a pool room and the conditions are such that he needs to adjust his typical playing style.

He simply adjusts and moves on. Because the next day he will enter another new room, with another set of different conditions. Will he start a thread for each pool table he plays on? With each cueball he encounters? With each new pool room he enters?

Think about things before you post my good friend.
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Very good advice there, friend :rolleyes:
 
TheThaiger said:
My set of Super Aramith Pros came with the red logo ball as standard. The red logo ball is just as you describe - heavy and unresponsive compared to the measles ball. It weighs the same as the set, and the same as the measles ball. I doubt you're playing with a fake or it's a problem with the cloth.

I've often seen people on here describe the red logo'd ball as being more maneuverable than the measles ball - Americans, eh? ;)
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Nice try, but wrong answer, snob. It's the red CIRCLE ball that folks on here say is more maneuverable. Unfortunately -- and this could be "an American thing" if you want to sneak a dig in there -- many confuse the circle as a "logo." The logo on the logo'ed ball does not resemble a perfect circle at all.

The red circle ball has always been a standalone product from Aramith, and yes, is a favorite among 9-ballers because of its "zinginess" (i.e. draw). The red logo ball, on the other hand, is just like any other ball -- or is supposed to be as intended by Aramith.

I can say this, after Saluc acquired Aramith, it definitely looks like the cue balls will be standardized and "pared down" (product breadth-wise). Pretty soon, a red circle, measles ball, blue circle Centennial, etc. -- will be made of the same material and react the same. Just an educated guess.

-Sean
 
ChrisBanks said:
Do you think the forum needs to hear the whining every time a player runs into a new cueball, a new table, new cloth, new balls, new chalk, a new tip, a new cue, changes in temperature, changes in humidity, changes in lighting etc....

What is the usefulness of this type of message?
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Ok Chris...now *here* you have an actual useful question (I'm sure you meant it rhetorically, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt).

Your characterization of the OP "whining" about the conditions is definitely your own spin. He stated the situation and asked why it might be happening. He was essentially asking if people thought it might be an issue with the cue ball, or something else. Your advice was to "make the adjustment and move on". Now ultimately I agree with this advice. However, not everyone *knows how* to adjust, or *what* to adjust. Information is required to anyone making any kind of adjustment. The OP was attempting to gain some information from other people who may have had a similar experience or know something about the issue. This, many would say, is the primary purpose for a forum like this.

You would do well to recognize the difference between "useful to you", and "useful to the OP". It is irrelevant whether one word of this thread is useful to you. It's not your thread. The OP is asking a question, and asking for the assistance of others in generating some info that is useful *to him*. If everyone says "yeah that super pro aramith draws great, it must be something else", well then, that would be some good info for him. If everyone says "yeah, that thing is tough to draw, try a different cue ball", well again, useful info for him. If you are not interested in this kind of info, why post at all? Wouldn't it be better to just *not read* the thread, and remain silent? The only thing you have brough to this thread so far (up to this last question which actually might be of some use to you), is an opportunity to make yourself look kinda bad.

I hope my explanation here helps you understand a bit better.

KMRUNOUT
 
ChrisBanks said:
Just make the necessary adjustment and move on. Why do you need to waste our time and start a thread for this nonsense?
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You of ALL people have NO business criticizing others for starting threads!

And besides, there was NOTHING nonsensical about the OP's post....only YOUR reply.

)-:

EagleMan
 
KMRUNOUT said:
Ok Chris...now *here* you have an actual useful question (I'm sure you meant it rhetorically, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt).

Your characterization of the OP "whining" about the conditions is definitely your own spin. He stated the situation and asked why it might be happening. He was essentially asking if people thought it might be an issue with the cue ball, or something else. Your advice was to "make the adjustment and move on". Now ultimately I agree with this advice. However, not everyone *knows how* to adjust, or *what* to adjust. Information is required to anyone making any kind of adjustment. The OP was attempting to gain some information from other people who may have had a similar experience or know something about the issue. This, many would say, is the primary purpose for a forum like this.

You would do well to recognize the difference between "useful to you", and "useful to the OP". It is irrelevant whether one word of this thread is useful to you. It's not your thread. The OP is asking a question, and asking for the assistance of others in generating some info that is useful *to him*. If everyone says "yeah that super pro aramith draws great, it must be something else", well then, that would be some good info for him. If everyone says "yeah, that thing is tough to draw, try a different cue ball", well again, useful info for him. If you are not interested in this kind of info, why post at all? Wouldn't it be better to just *not read* the thread, and remain silent? The only thing you have brough to this thread so far (up to this last question which actually might be of some use to you), is an opportunity to make yourself look kinda bad.

I hope my explanation here helps you understand a bit better.

KMRUNOUT
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Interesting perspective, one that has not been applied to any threads that I have started here.
 
sfleinen said:
Nice try, but wrong answer, snob. It's the red CIRCLE ball that folks on here say is more maneuverable. Unfortunately -- and this could be "an American thing" if you want to sneak a dig in there -- many confuse the circle as a "logo." The logo on the logo'ed ball does not resemble a perfect circle at all.
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I'm confused about where I'm wrong. You appear to confirm what I said. :confused:
 
Hello Rick & Shaun,

Figured I wouldthrow in my .02 here. The RED CIRCLE cue ball is a little bit different than the logo CB's and the blue circle.
My home pool hall uses the centennial blue circle CB's. Me assa 9-baller have been using the red circle at home. The pic doesn't really show it well, but the red circle is a slight yellowy-white color. It does have more spin and behaves differently than other CB's. I believe (not positive about this) it is made of a slightly different material, or has a coating of some kind.

Here's the link to my pic,.... http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=3931135#post3931135

Ya'all can go back to arguing with Kris now,......................

BTW,..... I liked the term "zingy" :lmao: :cool:
 
Jay?

Jay,

What object balls are on your home table? Would you say that the red circle ball transfers more or less spin induced throw than the blue cue ball?

Thanks,
 
TheThaiger said:
I'm confused about where I'm wrong. You appear to confirm what I said. :confused:
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Do you ever believe in gleaning the spirit of the material you read?

But then again, it was I who gave you the loophole to jump through -- with the confusion about logo/circle possibly being "an American thing," to give you a charitable bread crumb so you can continue with your digs on Americans.

I won't do that again.

-Sean
 
Dunnn51 said:
Hello Rick & Shaun,

Figured I wouldthrow in my .02 here. The RED CIRCLE cue ball is a little bit different than the logo CB's and the blue circle.
My home pool hall uses the centennial blue circle CB's. Me assa 9-baller have been using the red circle at home. The pic doesn't really show it well, but the red circle is a slight yellowy-white color. It does have more spin and behaves differently than other CB's. I believe (not positive about this) it is made of a slightly different material, or has a coating of some kind.

Here's the link to my pic,.... http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=3931135#post3931135

Ya'all can go back to arguing with Kris now,......................

BTW,..... I liked the term "zingy" :lmao: :cool:
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Glad you like the "zingy" thing -- I couldn't think of another word that gives just as good a visual. ;)

It sounds like your experience with the red circle ball confirms what many of us already know about it -- easier to draw, and definitely made of a different material than other balls (you can actually see the difference without any effort).

I personally don't like this ball, even though I'm sometimes forced to use it (e.g. Sunday evening 9-ball tourneys at local pool halls). However, I *WILL* exchange a red circle for another cue ball if playing in a 14.1 league match or tourney. 14.1 is about "sticking" your rock, not about moving it, and this is the wrong cue ball for this game.

I think "ctyhntr" is on to something with a modified cue ball test that goes beyond merely weighing the ball. As we suspect, two cue balls can weigh the same -- within a couple grams -- yet perform significantly different. Obviously, the make-up / material in the ball has a lot of say in how that ball performs.

And I'm thinking that the differences between the cue ball products is going to diminish, now that Saluc owns both Aramith and Simonis.

-Sean
 
ENGLISH! said:
Jay,

What object balls are on your home table? Would you say that the red circle ball transfers more or less spin induced throw than the blue cue ball?

Thanks,
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Hi Rick,

I have Brunswick's Standard Aramith (not super) phenolic balls. The red is more "zingy". I was long felt in my matches, went back to the standard CB, and its a lot better now position-wise.
I bought the red circle seperately from the set shortly afterward. Given the same shaft,tip combination, and stroke speed it is a little more agressive. It was hard to notice at first,.... I too thought it wassa dirty table , or something of that nature. All I can say from the hrs of practice on the homey, is it is a different animal. :smile:
 
Sean,

I don't do much straight pool, dad yrs ago tried to teach me, but I didn't want any part of a game that took away the ball at the nose of the rack. :embarrassed2:

I'd love to learn the game. I can't imagine red-circle while playing straight pool ! :yikes::yikes: That must be fun, as you certainly don't want "zingy" in that situation.

(sry for misspell of name :sorry: )
 
Jay,

Thanks for the info. I agree with the 'zingy' & draw, etc.

The thing is that the room owner & I seem to disagree on the spin throw aspects. I know that it spins more but he thinks it transfers more throw & I feel it is not throwing as much as I am use to from other cue balls. I know it comes down to spin x mass. Does more spin with less mass equal more or less spin throw? Or... as Sean implied, is it a different material or coating and does that cause more or less spin throw?

But like CrisBanks or who ever he is said, does it really matter, just adjust.

I will, but it seems odd that the room owner & I have different opinions on what the lighter ball is doing spin throw wise.

Thanks again,
 
Here's my Experience w/Red circle

Ummm I'm a little confused as to what you are trying to say concerning you and your room owner. It seems you both agree, yet you disagree that you both agree.

That part aside: The difference to me is slight, but if you seek perfection (I seek perfect position), then it is noticeable. The difference with red is most prevalent when you need to cut in tight positions ,and speed/spin shots on long positions. In those cases: you do need to adjust for spin & throw. (IMO).

I can get by w/o perfect position,(there are times I'd rather be "out" a little more than normal), but in seeking perfect position I felt it easier to adjust ones game once that is done.

We have never played together, but I'm the type that likes to experiment with "goofy" shots and see what makes them "goofy." I can relate to Efren when he said he likes to mimmic a less talented players shot-making, as It helps him makes all those crazy shots he makes ! :smile::rolleyes:
 
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Jay,

I've made some awesomely 'goofy' shots myself. Sometimes shooting certain shots is almost more important than winning the game.

The room owner is saying that the red cirlce spins more & throws an object ball more.

I feel that it spins more but does not throw an object ball as much as I am used to with other cue balls.

I, like Sean, do not really like it. I guess because I don't need whatever advantage it is supposed to bring to the table. I'd just rather have the cue ball be the same as the object balls. Maybe I'm just stuck on old school.

Best Regrads & Thanks Again,
 
CB Weights

I never officially wieghed them (until now). I took the word of an A-player after I hadda tough time spotting my CB at P/H one time. He told me that Blue circle was the lightest, then red circle, then the measles ball was the heaviest.

I just weighed them now......

Blue circle (standard) : 5.8 oz

Red circle (bought seperately) : 5.9 oz

FWIW
 
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