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[Mr. Bond]

Mr, Bond, which Mali family member is the person responsible for guiding Simonis into the pool cloth industry?

Henri Mali - born in Amsterdam in 1774 and went to Verviers to join forces with Simonis as managing partner of the company where he remained until his death in 1850. It was Henri Mali, who in 1799 found and arranged for John Cockerill, the inventor of the "Spinning Jenny," to come to Hamburg. Henri hired him and brought him to Verviers. This broke the English monopoly on the efficient manufacture of woven cloth.

In 1826, Henri sent his son, Henri Williem Theodore Mali, to look into the business situation in the United States. In that same year, he formed the Henry W. T. Mali & Co., Inc., and a few years later he was joined by his younger brother Charles Mali.

Since neither Henry W. T. or Charles had sons, their brother Jules Mali, then head of Simonis in Verviers, sent his eldest son, Pierre Mali, to New York in 1878 to carry on the family business. This tradition passed to John Taylor Johnston Mali, Pierre's eldest son, and then to Pierre's second son, Henry Julian Mali. Henry J.'s eldest son, Frederick Johnston Mali was the 5th generation to run Mali and Co.


I have some nice portraits too if you'd like to see one.


Interestingly enough, despite the fact that Mali was the exclusive importer of Simonis cloth, the Simonis company had also struck a deal with Brunswick to produce a special cloth exclusively for Brunswick alone. It was called "Super Weave" circa 1920

 

[realkingcobra]

Henri Mali - born in Amsterdam in 1774 and went to Verviers to join forces with Simonis as managing partner of the company where he remained until his death in 1850. It was Henri Mali, who in 1799 found and arranged for John Cockerill, the inventor of the "Spinning Jenny," to come to Hamburg. Henri hired him and brought him to Verviers. This broke the English monopoly on the efficient manufacture of woven cloth.

In 1826, Henri sent his son, Henri Williem Theodore Mali, to look into the business situation in the United States. In that same year, he formed the Henry W. T. Mali & Co., Inc., and a few years later he was joined by his younger brother Charles Mali.

Since neither Henry W. T. or Charles had sons, their brother Jules Mali, then head of Simonis in Verviers, sent his eldest son, Pierre Mali, to New York in 1878 to carry on the family business. This tradition passed to John Taylor Johnston Mali, Pierre's eldest son, and then to Pierre's second son, Henry Julian Mali. Henry J.'s eldest son, Frederick Johnston Mali was the 5th generation to run Mali and Co.


I have some nice portraits too if you'd like to see one.


Interestingly enough, despite the fact that Mali was the exclusive importer of Simonis cloth, the Simonis company had also struck a deal with Brunswick to produce a special cloth exclusively for Brunswick alone. It was called "Super Weave" circa 1920

That would all be correct, as I've seen plenty of very old cloth samples when working at the 211 club in downtown seattle, WA....in which I might add, was opened in 1925:grin:

 

[realkingcobra]

What does Mali have to do with any thing? Did I say anything about Mali?
What does who sold what first have to do with anything?

This all started because you said ALL cloth on GCs was thick and slow - which
is vastly inaccurate - Ask pt109, ask Eric FATBOY, they both remember playing on it.

LOOK it up.

Dale

Ask who, fatboy...who was still riding a bicycle when I started working on pool tables? And for YOUR information Einstein, it started because YOU claimed the Stevens cloth YOU played on was 100% wool, and that it played faster than 860 Simonis, which didn't even come out until about 1990, in which case, the Stevens cloth was no longer available to be bought, and when it was for sale, it was 80/20 wool/nylon.

 

[Maxx]

Can a Diamond blue label be made to play like a red label?

 

[realkingcobra]

Can a Diamond blue label be made to play like a red label?

Not sure why you'd want to, but yes, that can be done....but you'd need to find someone that knows what changes would need to be made.

 

[BmoreMoney]

Not sure why you'd want to, but yes, that can be done....but you'd need to find someone that knows what changes would need to be made.

Have you ever seen either the cars or trucks that have the back half of them transformed to a functional pool table ( three sided lol )? I know this is a novelty and not for serious play but I think its pretty cool none the less. Just wondering if you have ever been involved in any of these conversions and or if you know what it takes to do one of these?

 

[realkingcobra]

[QUOT E=BmoreMoney;5351649]Have you ever seen either the cars or trucks that have the back half of them transformed to a functional pool table ( three sided lol )? I know this is a novelty and not for serious play but I think its pretty cool none the less. Just wondering if you have ever been involved in any of these conversions and or if you know what it takes to do one of these?[/QUOTE]

No, I've never been one to work on novelty pool table made from car bodies, glass tops, non slate, or home made, I'm a purist when it comes to working on pool tables.

 

[Mr. Bond]

For the record, Simonis 860 wasn't the first of its kind.
Better yes, but not the first.




I also have some swatches of Draillib brand cloth (1920-1950ish) produced by Grote & Hubbell. Their "000" fabric is 100% wool and is very very very close to being perfectly napless as well. Very fast cloth.


The thing is, faster cloth was desired by almost everyone, even back then. But it was considerably more expensive, and its stretching qualities were less than desirable. They tried all kinds of solutions, in the form of different weaves, blends with cotton - and even blends with silk...

The big breakthrough was Nylon in 1935, the wonder thread.
Now they could produce a dense tight weave, that would stretch just right, and it was more durable by far than wool alone. (despite the fact that it was not used in billiard cloth for many years to come)

 

[smashmouth]

the ranting and raving by the op is hilarious to me, gotta love it when people refer to others as stupid when clearly......the lack of post secondary education is clearly prevalent

in any case, i see the point somewhat, those old brunswick tables were not gifts from god to the pool playing population,

diamond construction is amazing but they do in fact look like meh

 

[realkingcobra]

For the record, Simonis 860 wasn't the first of its kind.
Better yes, but not the first.


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I also have some swatches of Draillib brand cloth (1920-1950ish) produced by Grote & Hubbell. Their "000" fabric is 100% wool and is very very very close to being perfectly napless as well. Very fast cloth.


The thing is, faster cloth was desired by almost everyone, even back then. But it was considerably more expensive, and its stretching qualities were less than desirable. They tried all kinds of solutions, in the form of different weaves, blends with cotton - and even blends with silk...

The big breakthrough was Nylon in 1935, the wonder thread.
Now they could produce a dense tight weave, that would stretch just right, and it was more durable by far than wool alone. (despite the fact that it was not used in billiard cloth for many years to come)

And both of them cloths you mentioned were for billiards and snooker, as ironing the cloth back then was used as a way to speed the cloth up. 100% woolen cloth is still used today as well....on Snooker tables

 

[realkingcobra]

the ranting and raving by the op is hilarious to me, gotta love it when people refer to others as stupid when clearly......the lack of post secondary education is clearly prevalent

in any case, i see the point somewhat, those old brunswick tables were not gifts from god to the pool playing population,

diamond construction is amazing but they do in fact look like meh

To whom are you referring to as ranting and raving?

 

[realkingcobra]

For the record, Simonis 860 wasn't the first of its kind.
Better yes, but not the first.


View attachment 401629

I also have some swatches of Draillib brand cloth (1920-1950ish) produced by Grote & Hubbell. Their "000" fabric is 100% wool and is very very very close to being perfectly napless as well. Very fast cloth.


The thing is, faster cloth was desired by almost everyone, even back then. But it was considerably more expensive, and its stretching qualities were less than desirable. They tried all kinds of solutions, in the form of different weaves, blends with cotton - and even blends with silk...

The big breakthrough was Nylon in 1935, the wonder thread.
Now they could produce a dense tight weave, that would stretch just right, and it was more durable by far than wool alone. (despite the fact that it was not used in billiard cloth for many years to come)

Don't know who said Simonis 860 was the first of its kind, I started out using 760 as there was no such cloth as 860 at the time, that was in 1984-85.