Center CB Rules Most Of The Time

[Cornerman]

Thank you for clarifying your concept. It makes sense to me now. However, it seemed like CJ was implying something a little different in one of the other threads (closer to the example I suggested above), but I could be wrong.

Catch you later,
Dave

This was just one example I could think of. You can carry the concept to any shot with center ball cut shots including very subtle touch shots.

 

[Cornerman]

I would think most top players would use outside on this shot, unless they needed to limit CB travel.

and you're right. And this speaks to why I wrote earlier of why I hate this thread and this speaks to the original post. This shot is an outside English shot, even though it can be accomplished with center ball. This shot is an outside english shot all day long for two reasons. I've just now illustrated reason #2 that people normally don't thinly about.

Good players use all kinds of english because they know the shot is easier with whatever shot is in front of them.

Freddie <~~~ english minor

 

[gmoney1]

i aim the cb to the contact point and on my last delivery stroke i come off to apply just a touch of outside english on most shots. this seems more natural to me than just aiming the tip to the outside of the cb from the beginning of alignment like i see most people do. anyone else do this?

 

[Mitchxout]

i aim the cb to the contact point and on my last delivery stroke i come off to apply just a touch of outside english on most shots. this seems more natural to me than just aiming the tip to the outside of the cb from the beginning of alignment like i see most people do. anyone else do this?

Alot of people do this but no one would recommend it. In fact, some do it without even realizing what they're doing. God bless them.

 

[ENGLISH!]

i aim the cb to the contact point and on my last delivery stroke i come off to apply just a touch of outside english on most shots. this seems more natural to me than just aiming the tip to the outside of the cb from the beginning of alignment like i see most people do. anyone else do this?

I tried that long ago but I found it harder for ME to control the cue ball positioning & I abandoned it. I've also seen somewhere on You Tube an older pro showed but was not nessasarily advocating sort of the opposite in a sense. He lined up parallel english & he stroked slighty back in toward center. I believe he said it reduced overcutting but said it took practice because the correct speed was crucial. I use both parallel & a combination back hand & bridge 'press'. I don't really think about it or know why or when I use one over the other one. What ever works for each one of us is the best policy.

 

[JoeyA]

While watching top pros on stream and they get a bit out of position, most of them show they're pissed off about it. In the chat room you will see people saying, Oh come on stop being a little brat...the shot you left isn't that hard.

It's not that the shot is hard if that's all you need to make in the run. But most of the time they have to get away from center ball and juice the CB a bit or a lot. The pro knows that this makes the percentage for a miss or bad position go way up.

Set up 9 balls in connect the dots fashion. Now with bih run out using center ball or a hair of natual english. Now put those 9 balls back up and try to run out using left or right english...no center ball. See how much harder it is. Johnnyt

Stay in line, you'll be the Master.
Get out of line, you'll find the door Faster.

Johnnyt, I don't know if you are saying it's better to use center ball rather than English/side or not. But I think most shots are made by professionals using minute amounts of English/side. I could be wrong about that.

Getting the perfect angle on every shot can't be done just by center ball and speed control.

In Nick Varner and Buddy Hall's LEGENDS instructional video, they run rack after rack, talking as they go and it sure seems like they used English on practically every shot unless it was straight in, a stop shot, or a simple cut shot that doesn't require English to stay in line.

It's really all about staying in line for the best angle on each shot. Being close to your work can't be overstated either.

However, I agree that lots of English, especially on long or difficult shots is an expedient for quickly finding the exit door.

Nick Varner does say frequently that a level cue and finding the vertical center of the cue ball is the most accurate way to shoot a shot. I think he was talking specifically about cinching shots at long distances.