breakin8 said:
Dreamer. I don't rub you at all (at least not before you buy me dinner).
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Center-to-Edge (CTE) Pivot Issue
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Dreamer. I don't rub you at all (at least not before you buy me dinner).
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One thing I don't get is how one would aim using any of these index-based systems (CTE, ETC, etc) if they need a specific enlish on the cueball. And I would really like to understand it. It's obvious that many people use these systems successfully and play great position, so I know it can work.
All I read about is pivot from whatever index is being used. If that's the case, does the index change if you need outside, outside high, outside low, and the same for inside? Also how do you account for various degrees off center?
Please do not take this as me being a hater of these systems, because I am not - I know they have some merit (once the adjustments are learned). It's just that it was never explained to me how to aim using these systems when the cueball is the most important part of the shot, even if it's a hard shot.
Thank you in advance for your (or anybody's) answer.
Dave
All I read about is pivot from whatever index is being used. If that's the case, does the index change if you need outside, outside high, outside low, and the same for inside? Also how do you account for various degrees off center?
Please do not take this as me being a hater of these systems, because I am not - I know they have some merit (once the adjustments are learned). It's just that it was never explained to me how to aim using these systems when the cueball is the most important part of the shot, even if it's a hard shot.
Thank you in advance for your (or anybody's) answer.
Dave
12squared said:
I doubt that any system tries to include squirt/swerve/throw adjustment as part of the system. I think it must be done just like any other way of aiming - first find the "raw" aim (using whatever combination of system and adjustment works) and then adjust for squirt/swerve/throw from there in whatever way you can (i.e., by feel).
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Patrick Johnson said:
Thanks for your response and I agree with your assessment - it makes sense.
But I thought "backhand" english is supposed to compensate for squirt/swerve/throw somewhat and these pivot systems kinda are like backhand english. I'm just trying like heck to understand the theory so it could be used effectively during a match. It doesn't make sense in bits and oieces and it appears noone wants to tell the whole story or there is no whole story. I mean if CTE is an effective way to make balls but detracts from cueball control, is it effective as a whole?
Anyone else?
Dave
12squared said:
Hi Dave,
I would ask Stevie Moore what he thinks. He is now using Stan's Pro One which he learned from Hal, which is CTE. I really wish the link was still up in YouTube that clearly showed Efren using it. It was posted to show an incredible bridge he made but no one seemed to notice the obvious pivot.
Regards,
Koop
Koop said:
Thanks. How would I get in touch w/Stevie and would he tell me about it? I know it's being used but I just never read anything about the cueball side of the system in any of these threads. For me, this is the most important piece of this system to allow me to become a believer.
Again, thanks for the response.
Dave
Koop said:
I don't think seeing a player pivoting a cue means he is using Stan's or Hal's technique. There can be a other reasons why he's doing it. One, he could be getting a sharper target line using the side of his shaft, then pivots the cue to strike that target line. Another might be simply to have a clearer view of the cueball without the obstruction of the stick. Another might be that he likes to swipe at the cue ball in one direction for certain shots.
Also, for anyone who subscribes to InsidePool, read Tom Simpson's advertisement for his pool school, specifically what he teaches on day 3.
Yep, it's the "aiming system of the pro's".
Anyone care to venture where he got that information? And he gets paid good money for it. Whether you buy it or not, why bash people on here who get paid nothing when others are making money from it?
I'm not saying it's wrong, just pointing out that if someone has a real beef with this stuff, take it up with the folks getting paid for giving the information out.
But then, what fun would that be?
Yep, it's the "aiming system of the pro's".
Anyone care to venture where he got that information? And he gets paid good money for it. Whether you buy it or not, why bash people on here who get paid nothing when others are making money from it?
I'm not saying it's wrong, just pointing out that if someone has a real beef with this stuff, take it up with the folks getting paid for giving the information out.
But then, what fun would that be?
You could use backhand english with any of these systems - once you've used the aiming system to find centerball aim, then apply backhand english as usual. It should work normally.
I don't see why it should detract from cue ball control. It's just a way to find the proper aim, like any other way. It doesn't limit the kind of spin you can put on the cue ball or the way you compensate for squirt/swerve/throw. Find your centerball aim first, then do those things.
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bluepepper said:
Stevie uses CTE, Pro1. I know for a fact, he told me.
Bustamante uses CTE in a super-similar manner as Pro1 (left to right pivots for everything). I know for a fact, we discussed it. Anyone can see he does it- it's plain as day.
If anyone wants to know how this really works, why not talk to one of them?
Make sure you tell Bustamante he uses an aiming religion as a way to make his balls LMAO. Make sure I'm around when you say that, so I get to see his expression!!
There are more pivot options that what was mentioned. I use 4 pivots - one works...everything off of the CTE line.
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Bob Jewett said:
Bridgehand placement is where it would be to make the shot whether an exact quarters type shot achieved thru vertical alignment or by use of PRO ONE (CTE) that brings the cue in from the side.
I just set up 3 shots. a 30 a 40 a 20 (degrees)
I marked the exact bridgehand placement using an ink mark precisely under the V in my open bridgehand. I used an ink pen to precisely mark a small speck right thru my bridge V.(edited-for each shot)
Using PRO ONE lands the bridge V repeatedly on the dot that represents the perfect bridgehand placement for the above mentioned shots.
It's the technique that brings the bridgehand to the correct bridgehand placement.
Stan Shuffett
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stan shuffett said:
Stan, you seem to be saying that the same bridge placement can produce different cut angles, like this:
Do you shoot both of these centerball shots with precisely the same bridge placement, like you described above?
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No, just like you wouldn't. My bridgeplacement for one shot may produce a 3 railer and the other a cut to the corner. This is easily demonstrated.
And that's not what I described above. All I said was that PRO ONE takes the bridge V to the correct aimline..... The shots I set up had 3 seperate CB OB locations.
Stan
And that's not what I described above. All I said was that PRO ONE takes the bridge V to the correct aimline..... The shots I set up had 3 seperate CB OB locations.
Stan
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