'Supposedly' the piezo-electric fibers converted vibration to heat thus lessening the 'bad vibes'. I hit one back in the day and guess what??? It hit like just about every other shaft. More marketing malarkey. Carbon tubes inside shafts work well for providing a little more 'backbone' The Mezz shafts that have it play great. Fury and Bear does same thing on their hi-end shafts. I don't think weaving cf cloth throughout would work too good and be hard as fk to make.
CF infused Torrified shafts.
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"Plus 5 shaft construction: The + shaped core and its 4 quarters are separated with silk lines that are visible. The Plus 5 construction Increases the radial consistency and the stiffness of the shaft to gives you more power."
Probably expensive as hell as well. I was curious how the carbon was 'infused', (their word not mine,) into Torrified maple. That was the claim on the site I visited.
For myself, I have no opinion either way. I'm not one of those next best newest groupies. Tried CF and went back to what I knew.
Just an old growth hard maple guy here. Lol.
Something about the feedback gets in your blood, imo. The resonance of that maple hit w an ivory ferrule. Oh yeah.
I have a Hanbat carom cue with those shafts. Good shafts IMO. However I am not a good enough test platform for a carom shaft. Somehow with all that extra power I didn’t transform into Sayginer.
I bet that took a big hammer.
Maybe it just takes longer to become sayginer??I have a Hanbat carom cue with those shafts. Good shafts IMO. However I am not a good enough test platform for a carom shaft. Somehow with all that extra power I didn’t transform into Sayginer.
Or perhaps you settle for nelin?!?!
McDermott has done carbon coring in the Intimidator shafts for 20 years or more. I've had an i2 since 2005 and it's still a backup behind a Revo. It's probably the same or maybe slightly lower deflection than a 314-2 in my opinion.
That said, I'd like to try a torrefied shaft with a carbon core out to see if I like it. I'm kind of a gear whore though.
That said, I'd like to try a torrefied shaft with a carbon core out to see if I like it. I'm kind of a gear whore though.
The FUZE website describes all its CF InFUZED shafts whether maple or kielwood maple as having carbon fiber in the shaft:
“Crafted using a unique fusion of carbon fiber and traditional materials like maple or Kielwood, these shafts redefine performance standards.” See
INFUZED Shafts
Crafted using a unique fusion of carbon fiber and traditional materials like maple or Kielwood, these shafts redefine performance standards.
www.cueandcase.com
I agree that the Lucasi/FUZE website never states where that carbon fiber is in the shafts. I wrote to Cue and Case about whether the carbon fiber may have been placed inside the ferrule. They responded through its Customer Account Specialist that “the carbon fiber runs through the shaft itself”. Maybe the company will provide a figure describing how carbon fiber runs through the shaft.
The kielwood & carbon-fiber shaft sells for $425 (FUZE Kielwood Carbon Fiber InFUZED Solid Shaft). The maple & carbon-fiber shaft is more expensive ---- $475 (Lucasi Pro Carbon InFUZED 10S Shaft)
ARE THERE OTHER shafts that contain both carbon fiber and kielwood?
You could probably wrap trees with low density carbon mesh or processes to that effect.
I was told it was not a core. That's why I posted this mess to begin with. Had hopes that one of the knowledgeable cuemakers on here or one of the more informed players might know exactly wtf this is??? They make it sound like CF is woven throughout the shaft. How, I have no clue. I would like to know.The FUZE website describes all its CF InFUZED shafts whether maple or kielwood maple as having carbon fiber in the shaft:
“Crafted using a unique fusion of carbon fiber and traditional materials like maple or Kielwood, these shafts redefine performance standards.” SeeINFUZED Shafts
Crafted using a unique fusion of carbon fiber and traditional materials like maple or Kielwood, these shafts redefine performance standards.
I agree that the Lucasi/FUZE website never states where that carbon fiber is in the shafts. I wrote to Cue and Case about whether the carbon fiber may have been placed inside the ferrule. They responded through its Customer Account Specialist that “the carbon fiber runs through the shaft itself”. Maybe the company will provide a figure describing how carbon fiber runs through the shaft.
The kielwood & carbon-fiber shaft sells for $425 (FUZE Kielwood Carbon Fiber InFUZED Solid Shaft). The maple & carbon-fiber shaft is more expensive ---- $475 (Lucasi Pro Carbon InFUZED 10S Shaft)
ARE THERE OTHER shafts that contain both carbon fiber and kielwood?
Coring has been going on since Christ left Chicago!!
Infuzed apparently means glued inside the shaft. I think you can grow wood with foreign material grafted in.
Did the cue you saw at the pool hall look like the Pure X Kielwood FUZE shaft pictured below?
FUZE Shafts
Shop FUZE Shafts and more pool, billiards, and snooker gear for sale online from Cue & Case.
www.cueandcase.com
i seriously doubt the cf is woven into the wood. Oscar D., C&C staff player, said both Infuzed shafts, kiel and maple, use a full-length cf core. Oscar's a pretty smart cat and stays current on tech so i'd say he probably knows.I was told it was not a core. That's why I posted this mess to begin with. Had hopes that one of the knowledgeable cuemakers on here or one of the more informed players might know exactly wtf this is??? They make it sound like CF is woven throughout the shaft. How, I have no clue. I would like to know.
Coring has been going on since Christ left Chicago!!
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I was told this CF sheeting was placed between the spars on CF infused spliced shafts. It's .35 mm thick.
Anybody chime in on this?? Gar??
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I can't be sure. This guy has already rubbed the logo off to the point it was unreadable. That's why this whole thing had me so frustrated. I couldn't recall the name he mentioned, bcuz the money on the one hole match going on next to me had all of my attention.Did the cue you saw at the pool hall look like the Pure X Kielwood FUZE shaft pictured below?
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Shop FUZE Shafts and more pool, billiards, and snooker gear for sale online from Cue & Case.
I put it out there for my pals here on AZ to do the heavy lifting. Lol.
I asked Google's AIrtificial Intelligence: How is the carbon fiber placed in the Pure X Kielwood FUZE?
It answered that the carbon fiber is wrapped (woven?) around the maple wood core (the FUZE photos of a wood surface contradicts this, though):
I couldn't find the web links that would document AI's response.
This description makes more sense if there was maple wood around the woven CF. An approximation of what that might look like is a figure from McDermott's i-Pro carbon-fiber/maple shaft. Of course, McDermott is not describing CF woven around maple---it describes a CF tube around a maple core (see top figure only). Around that CF tube is the "octadic laminated shaft" of eight maple pieces (top and lower figure).
It answered that the carbon fiber is wrapped (woven?) around the maple wood core (the FUZE photos of a wood surface contradicts this, though):
In a Pure X Kielwood FUZE pool cue shaft, the carbon fiber is typically placed as a thin layer wrapped around the maple wood core, often using a specific weave pattern to optimize stiffness and deflection, providing increased control and power while minimizing vibration; this is usually done through a process of applying epoxy resin to the wood core, then carefully wrapping the carbon fiber sheet around it, and finally curing the epoxy to bond it in place.
The carbon fiber is not embedded within the wood, but rather wrapped around the maple shaft as a layer on the outside
The carbon fiber sheets are usually woven in a specific pattern (like a plain weave or a unidirectional weave) to control the stiffness and flex characteristics of the shaft
I couldn't find the web links that would document AI's response.
This description makes more sense if there was maple wood around the woven CF. An approximation of what that might look like is a figure from McDermott's i-Pro carbon-fiber/maple shaft. Of course, McDermott is not describing CF woven around maple---it describes a CF tube around a maple core (see top figure only). Around that CF tube is the "octadic laminated shaft" of eight maple pieces (top and lower figure).
That makes no sense. They give several answers to the same question all of which contradict the other as you said. It's not supposed to be a cored shaft, so wrapping CF around the core is out, unless it's a cored shaft!?!
It would have to be transparent CF if it were on the outside of the shaft, like those fiberglass coated jobbies!?!
The more I learn, the less I know. Why did I post this in the first place?? OMG just shoot me now. lol.
If I'm not mistaken, the weave and direction of the CF thread pattern in unidirectional CF sheet or thread all contribute to its strength characteristics.That makes no sense. They give several answers to the same question all of which contradict the other as you said. It's not supposed to be a cored shaft, so wrapping CF around the core is out, unless it's a cored shaft!?!
It would have to be transparent CF if it were on the outside of the shaft, like those fiberglass coated jobbies!?!
The more I learn, the less I know. Why did I post this in the first place?? OMG just shoot me now. lol.
If this is placed in the wrong direction, failures occur.
Like how wood can crack if the grain is turned the wrong direction, making it much easier to break. Tensile decreases proportionately in CF as well.
I read that on the Internet, so take it w a grain of salt.
