Chalk... Hate vs Love.....

Been a ton of research and time on this... I won't release it until I feel like it's not just another chalk... Kind of like our "Solid" break tips... I already have leather single layered formula that outperform the Samsara but I am hoping I can tweak it a few more points and get something in the realm of a phenolic with the control of leather... As of now I am dead in between the Predator Phenolic and Samsara so I have a little bit of a hill to climb... If it's at all possible I'll get it climbed....

Chris

If the chalk is even 75% as good to other chalks as the K Tech I use now compares to other tips, you will have a great product. As an idea, maybe include a chalk with the tip bundles. Or maybe a tip with the chalk bundles hehe.
 
Here is the deal... Outsville has been working on chalk for 2 years+ and we are getting close... Lots of players can't tell a difference but many players can... We get comments like Kamui is too greasy and sticks to everything to Predator just feels too abrasive which is why Balabushka got so few followers... If you have tried several brands please take some time to chime in on your thought as to what makes the existing brands good or bad....

I will start with Kamui 98... Love the chalk but it sticks to everything... Have given 3 cubes away because I use the measles ball and that ball picks up everything......

I have been recently trying the Predator chalk. It coats very well and you wouldn't have to chalk after every shot but I do. It's a bit small for my hands and I wish it was wider. The 8 sides is good for gripping but again it's too small for me. It is slightly messy leaving lots of chalk marks that don't wipe off easily on my cue ball.

I like Blue Diamond, It's a quality chalk but not quite as soft as predator and I feel it has a bit more grit to it.


Triangle (blue) this is my go to chalk. I prefer it over Masters for regular play. It seems a bit finer to me but still grabs the cue ball quite well and doesn't mark up the cue ball as much as Predator.

Masters (blue) this is what most pool halls have and it's a workhorse. It does just fine most of the time if you can get a decent piece.

Masters Pre-Flag (green) For some reason the green chalk is different than the blue. I can really tell how i'm stroking because the green leaves little streaks on the table which is a mess to clean up but I still like this chalk but it's messy on the cloth but not on the cueball. I still have 3/4 of a box I purchased many years ago.

NIR billiard chalk, soft, grippy, messy but will grab the cue ball as good as anything else out there. About $8 for 3 cubes, similar to Blue Diamond but softer.

NTC (blue) Old chalk I have left over from the mid 1980's. Very fine grain, a bit powdery and puffs when you put to much on as it strikes the cueball. Not as good as Masters but still serviceable.

Last on my list. Kamui .98, It's chalk, good chalk at that but not worth $20+ per cube.

I do change my chalk more often than I change my tips :)
 
The performance evaluation of the chalk should be independent of the price.
Just like wine tasting, price should not be the governing factor in it's evaluation.
But just because you paid a lot of money for something, does not mean you are going to be getting the very best. Like wine, most things related to pool to come a personal preference.
Neil
 
A lot of info. about different chalks but has
anybody tried Morakami Chalk and what's
your feedback on this chalk.
 
started from usual "bar" chalk then tried Bushka and after predator - all felt the same...
Now bought Kamui and felt the difference cause like ppl say it sticks to everything and this is what I like. You feel like your tip will never slide off the ball when hit and you dont need to brush your tip 1000 times to apply the chalk :)
 
A lot of info. about different chalks but has
anybody tried Morakami Chalk and what's
your feedback on this chalk.

Morakami feels alright to me. Doesn't feel gritty and at the same time, goes on smoothly. It adheres quite well, more or less quite similar to BD but at a cheaper rate.
 
Morakami feels alright to me. Doesn't feel gritty and at the same time, goes on smoothly. It adheres quite well, more or less quite similar to BD but at a cheaper rate.

Is Morakami an actual legit brand over there? The only place I was originally seeing their stuff was on ebay and I wasn't sure if they were real or a knockoff since it appears they joined Moori and Kamui to make their name... I assumed and may have assumed wrongly that they were simply a branding company and likely having their products made by others......
 
Been using Blue Diamond since first trying it and
have "converted" plenty of Masters users to it.

Worst I've tried is Silver Cup.
 
It's called overkill & a waste of time. Name 1 pro who has ever talked about baking their Masters chalk? And no it's not some secret the pros will not share. As to the original question, Masters is just fine by me, no "pre-flag", no baked & none made with ground Unicorn bone. It does what it needs to do & does it well just the way it is made.

A friend on mine stores his chalk in his basement. The higher moisture content helps it stick better to the tip. Don't believe me? Try it.

Johnny Archer admitted in an interview that he is also a chalk collector. He grabs up old chalk when he finds it laying around. Hes not the first pro to say they prefer old chalk. I think its because the old chalk has been sitting around collecting moisture.
 
A friend on mine stores his chalk in his basement. The higher moisture content helps it stick better to the tip. Don't believe me? Try it.

Johnny Archer admitted in an interview that he is also a chalk collector. He grabs up old chalk when he finds it laying around. Hes not the first pro to say they prefer old chalk. I think its because the old chalk has been sitting around collecting moisture.

Wouldn't storing his cue down there work just as well so the tip has higher moisture content? Touch the tip to chalk and magic would happen.....

Since most rooms have HVAC maybe the old chalk had dried out more after all these years......

Moisture is the variable that everyone eliminates first... So unless you or your opponent is spitting in the chalk I don't see it being an issue....
 
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Wouldn't storing his cue down there work just as well so the tip has higher moisture content? Touch the tip to chalk and magic would happen.....

Since most rooms have HVAC maybe the old chalk had dried out more after all these years......

Moisture is the variable that everyone eliminates first... So unless you or your opponent is spitting in the chalk I don't see it being an issue....

I'm not saying dripping wet here. Just slightly higher moisture. It really does work. Try it.
And how many times have you been in a so called climate controlled room and the moisture is so high your hands are sticking to the cue?
 
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Moist chalk is an interesting departure from the oven-dried chalks I've been reading of lately.

Perhaps someone can do some tests with a humidifier and hygrometer to see what the ideal percentages of humidity are for play and for storage.

If ever I owned a pool hall, I'd like to store chalk in a humidor or something similar as an addition to a detailed, quality experience.
 
Moist chalk is an interesting departure from the oven-dried chalks I've been reading of lately.

Perhaps someone can do some tests with a humidifier and hygrometer to see what the ideal percentages of humidity are for play and for storage.

If ever I owned a pool hall, I'd like to store chalk in a humidor or something similar as an addition to a detailed, quality experience.

I was referring to blue masters BTW. I'm sure if moisture got too high, it would crumble and not hold together.
 
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Is Morakami an actual legit brand over there? The only place I was originally seeing their stuff was on ebay and I wasn't sure if they were real or a knockoff since it appears they joined Moori and Kamui to make their name... I assumed and may have assumed wrongly that they were simply a branding company and likely having their products made by others......

I doubt its known here. As per on PMs conversations, the players in my country are very mainstream. As long its used by pros, it is good. Personally for me, I like to try new chalks and tips. Mostly from what I've seen in most pool halls here, its either Masters(most commonly found), BD, PXT Magical series or Kamui.

I did manage to sell off some of my collections which I feel are good chalks but not many takers. Of course there are the minorities like me who tries new stuffs from the pool market. Usually its because of the shipping fees that's why and we only have more or less 2 pro shops around and they too just stick with the mainstream brands.
 
Moist chalk is an interesting departure from the oven-dried chalks I've been reading of lately.

Perhaps someone can do some tests with a humidifier and hygrometer to see what the ideal percentages of humidity are for play and for storage.

If ever I owned a pool hall, I'd like to store chalk in a humidor or something similar as an addition to a detailed, quality experience.

I agree to this too. What I used to do back then when my chalk are getting a little dried up, I place them over boiling water, holding them with tweezers. You'll feel your chalks suddenly become softer. After which I straight place them either in zip lock bags or tupperware for storage. I have too much chalks which is able to let me die like a smurf. :D
 
One quick observation. ...I just watched a match between Corey Deuel and Darren Appleton at 2014 US Bar Table Championship. It appears Corey is using Master chalk. Good ol Master still has merit or he wouldn't be using it. It is the final match of 8 ball on youtube. Can't tell what Darren is using. He keeps it in his pocket. Looks like it could be Kamui. Maybe someone else can identify it.
 
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One quick observation. ...I just watched a match between Corey Deuel and Darren Appleton at 2014 US Bar Table Championship. It appears Corey is using Master chalk. Good ol Master still has merit or he wouldn't be using it. It is the final match of 8 ball on youtube. Can't tell what Darren is using. He keeps it in his pocket. Looks like it could be Kamui. Maybe someone else can identify it.

Seems like a Predator.

I believe there are people who doesn't really bother about the chalks they use. As long its chalk, its good enough for them.

The typical example of "Its the Indian and not the arrow".
 
Seems like a Predator.

I believe there are people who doesn't really bother about the chalks they use. As long its chalk, its good enough for them.

The typical example of "Its the Indian and not the arrow".

You could be right. But a good indian will dispose of a crooked arrow! LOL.
 
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