Challenge to Confused CTE User

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duckie

GregH
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If you are using CTE and are confused, I challenge you to buy one of Babe Cranfields books, make the Arrow, and practice using it with or without CTE.

I find amazing there are those the will stick with something so confusing yet will not try something as simple as training with the Arrow.

Using the arrow to train with will increase your consistency better than CTE ever will.

I bet no one will do this cause then you would not be part of the "group"..it hard to be a individual walking your own path which is why so many want the magic system that does it all for you and will make you play like Efren.
 
Another CTE hater post from, guess who?

:ignore: Nothing to see here. Please move along.
 
duckie said:
If you are using CTE and are confused, I challenge you to buy one of Babe Cranfields books, make the Arrow, and practice using it with or without CTE.

I find amazing there are those the will stick with something so confusing yet will not try something as simple as training with the Arrow.

Using the arrow to train with will increase your consistency better than CTE ever will.

I bet no one will do this cause then you would not be part of the "group"..it hard to be a individual walking your own path which is why so many want the magic system that does it all for you and will make you play like Efren.
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Dude, what is your problem? There are so many things to read on this board, and you choose to fixate on the... Aiming Conversation subforum?!?

You're supposedly this big 14.1 fan. How come the last hint of any evidence you'd ever been to the 14.1 subforum was from several years ago?

Yet you choose to attack the devoted readers of the Aiming Conversation subforum because they choose to patch one of the swiss-cheese holes in their pool learning?

I honestly don't get this fixation you have. "But-but-but I'm just trying to help them along the straight, righteous path to playing better!" Yeah, right.

-Sean
 
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There are 2 types of aiming.

1..center ball aiming....this is where you can basically shoot close to the gb position.
Your aiming system or routine has a chance as long as you can get to the gb spot.You still need to account for the hit.use your arrow...it mite help .....i guess.

2...outside the center of the cb aiming....this is where create the angle.Never aim for the gb,,,,ITS WRONG....you create the potting angle by lines that are thick or thin of the aiming line.....me ...most of the time thick..

Both ways are needed....unless you play snooker....I think.:smile:


Dont get a cure for number 2... it will kill your runs.;)
 
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Crap Thread!

No information can be gained! Nothing new! nothing changes...
just move on.

gotta go
 
duckie said:
If you are using CTE and are confused, I challenge you to buy one of Babe Cranfields books, make the Arrow, and practice using it with or without CTE.

I find amazing there are those the will stick with something so confusing yet will not try something as simple as training with the Arrow.

Using the arrow to train with will increase your consistency better than CTE ever will.

I bet no one will do this cause then you would not be part of the "group"..it hard to be a individual walking your own path which is why so many want the magic system that does it all for you and will make you play like Efren.
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duckie.. Does anyone use some type of ghost ball? Of course they do. If I have a thin cut and find it's hard to see the angle.. I may try to align up the shot as you suggest. But that's it.. just for a quick alignment check.

The ghost ball to a spot on the table.. can work for a reference point. Efren couldn't move the cue ball around the table by just looking at a spot on the table.. he can deflect the CB into the OB at will, and change it's path. Again... IMO
 
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Unsure about trying the arrow......try this little exercise using the rack spot.

Just set the CB on the table not to far from the rack spot. Getting into shooting position and roll the CB over the spot. Checks for a straight stroke.

Also, gets you in the habit of looking straight ahead to where the CB needs to be. No having to look to one side or the other as in using contact point of the object ball.

Once you get tired of that or can roll the CB over the spot OK....place a ball on the rack spot, ie ghost ball. Freeze another to it such that the ball is dead on to the center of one of the closet corner pockets.

Place the CB not to far from the ball on the rack spot. Getting into shooting position and just look at those two balls, but straight ahead to the ball on the rack spot as when doing the spot drill.

Leave the CB in its spot, remove the ball on the rack spot. Get into shooting position and stroke such to roll the CB over the spot as in the beginning of this exercise. Try to see the whole shot picture and not focus on one detail.

You can set this exercise up for any pocket on the table. The arrow is a moveable rack spot. It is one of the best, little know and used training device. Maybe its simplicity is why it is overlooked.

The use of two arrows can help with improving combos and caroms.......which can be a run saver in 14.1

Marketing statements are not fact. This is what phrase's like "connect with the table" are, nothing more and are not backed up with any proof other than the statement.

Pool deserves better than this type of hype about any system or stroking style. The continued false marketing statements both about CTE and TOI that continue to go unchallenged need to be challenged.

If I made the statement the arrow or using the contact patch principle of ghost ball will have you playing like Efren in no time......will I think the resulting replies would be different.

It is a statement that can not be proven, a statement made to sell, the market a product.

If you have a problem with what I write, my style of writing, well then use the ignore or just don't read them.

And yep, there are those that have bought the hype of CTE and TOI so much that they will not even try this little exercise.....
 
duckie said:
Unsure about trying the arrow......try this little exercise using the rack spot.

Just set the CB on the table not to far from the rack spot. Getting into shooting position and roll the CB over the spot. Checks for a straight stroke.

Also, gets you in the habit of looking straight ahead to where the CB needs to be. No having to look to one side or the other as in using contact point of the object ball.

Once you get tired of that or can roll the CB over the spot OK....place a ball on the rack spot, ie ghost ball. Freeze another to it such that the ball is dead on to the center of one of the closet corner pockets.

Place the CB not to far from the ball on the rack spot. Getting into shooting position and just look at those two balls, but straight ahead to the ball on the rack spot as when doing the spot drill.

Leave the CB in its spot, remove the ball on the rack spot. Get into shooting position and stroke such to roll the CB over the spot as in the beginning of this exercise. Try to see the whole shot picture and not focus on one detail.

You can set this exercise up for any pocket on the table. The arrow is a moveable rack spot. It is one of the best, little know and used training device. Maybe its simplicity is why it is overlooked.

The use of two arrows can help with improving combos and caroms.......which can be a run saver in 14.1

Marketing statements are not fact. This is what phrase's like "connect with the table" are, nothing more and are not backed up with any proof other than the statement.

Pool deserves better than this type of hype about any system or stroking style. The continued false marketing statements both about CTE and TOI that continue to go unchallenged need to be challenged.

If I made the statement the arrow or using the contact patch principle of ghost ball will have you playing like Efren in no time......will I think the resulting replies would be different.

It is a statement that can not be proven, a statement made to sell, the market a product.

If you have a problem with what I write, my style of writing, well then use the ignore or just don't read them.

And yep, there are those that have bought the hype of CTE and TOI so much that they will not even try this little exercise.....
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Don t talk about things, where you have absolutley no clue-- i usually stayed away from your postings.
What has an aiming system to do with *hype* ??
First: TOI is no aiming system (not really)-- maybe you should first do your homework and get a better overall-knowledge.

2nd: I learnt the hard way in the early 80 s- i started with ghostball- later moved to contact to contact/back of the ball. Been taught by a snooker worldchamp in the 80 s variations of contact to contact- and since a few years, where i m almost just teaching interested in everything about pool-knowledge, which also includes aiming systems of course.
Before i bash something, i prove it- i test it.
I learnt see-system and worked with it- i practiced manual cte as well as Stan s Pro-1. Furthermore the *sister* 90/90.
I m able to teach i would say some aiming systems (if wanted).

But finally each of the above named systems WORK. Without a doubt. You just have to find out, what s working for you- that s it.

and one super secret for you duckie: An aiming system just have one thing to do......to bring you finally on the striking line/shot line.


And especially for your case: without a repeatable straight stroke, and without beeing able to *freeze* even on simple shots-- i would be careful with hollering into the wind.

Sorry- i couldn t resist.

lg from overseas,

Ingo
 
I suggest making 20 arrows. I did and its a ton of fun aligning them for all the things you want the cue ball and object ball to do. Sure each shot takes twenty minutes to setup but you are training your subconscious with each arrow adjustment.

Babe Cranfield reportedly ran 768 balls on his home table and was one of the elite players of his day.

If you follow the advice in his book Billiards for Beginners or something like that you will be running hundreds like Duckie soon. What's your high run up to Duckie?

Be like Duckie....he has been using the Cranfield arrow ghost ball template for more than three years and he is obviously an accomplished player.

Don't be modest Duckie, tell us all that you have accomplished in the past three years by using the arrow as you training device. We would love to hear the inspiring tales of victories you have collected.

I will lobby that you be included on the list of living 200 ball runners because with a ghost ball trainer like the arrow and the Basic Billiards for Beginners book as your guides coupled with your fanatical devotion to practice it is a surety you have run 200+ many times.

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JB Cases said:
I suggest making 20 arrows. I did and its a ton of fun aligning them for all the things you want the cue ball and object ball to do. Sure each shot takes twenty minutes to setup but you are training your subconscious with each arrow adjustment.

Babe Cranfield reportedly ran 768 balls on his home table and was one of the elite players of his day.

If you follow the advice in his book Billiards for Beginners or something like that you will be running hundreds like Duckie soon. What's your high run up to Duckie?

Be like Duckie....he has been using the Cranfield arrow ghost ball template for more than three years and he is obviously an accomplished player.

Don't be modest Duckie, tell us all that you have accomplished in the past three years by using the arrow as you training device. We would love to hear the inspiring tales of victories you have collected.

I will lobby that you be included on the list of living 200 ball runners because with a ghost ball trainer like the arrow and the Basic Billiards for Beginners book as your guides coupled with your fanatical devotion to practice it is a surety you have run 200+ many times.

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Where's the "Like" link? AZB needs to get one of these.
 
Oh you done it now, the Bankmaster from Milpitas will now post pictures of table layouts showing how great he is for winning from there, or educate us all about how playing pool is like driving a boat, or the all time fan favorite, his experiences left handed.

I would be shocked if he invented any new material.


JB Cases said:
I suggest making 20 arrows. I did and its a ton of fun aligning them for all the things you want the cue ball and object ball to do. Sure each shot takes twenty minutes to setup but you are training your subconscious with each arrow adjustment.

Babe Cranfield reportedly ran 768 balls on his home table and was one of the elite players of his day.

If you follow the advice in his book Billiards for Beginners or something like that you will be running hundreds like Duckie soon. What's your high run up to Duckie?

Be like Duckie....he has been using the Cranfield arrow ghost ball template for more than three years and he is obviously an accomplished player.

Don't be modest Duckie, tell us all that you have accomplished in the past three years by using the arrow as you training device. We would love to hear the inspiring tales of victories you have collected.

I will lobby that you be included on the list of living 200 ball runners because with a ghost ball trainer like the arrow and the Basic Billiards for Beginners book as your guides coupled with your fanatical devotion to practice it is a surety you have run 200+ many times.
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