changing ob1 ferrule
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Dick, surely you are not saying that pool players aren't reasonable!?rhncue said:
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Murray Tucker said:
it was given in a trade. i wouldnt and dont pay for them shafts. i cant sell it here bc ups broke it in half... see pics...
mass change
I can't prove you wrong on the .3 grams making 3.5 deg squirt. But I do know that adding 10 grams to the tip increases squirt to about 1/2 q ball over about 6 feet of travel.
When tip mass is less than 3 gram change, I can not determine if it is squirt or me . This is with back to back tests and changing the tip mass.
So when it was 3 gram lighter , the average ball position was about the same. Over 6 shots, the pattern was not decisive.
Neil
McChen said:
I can't prove you wrong on the .3 grams making 3.5 deg squirt. But I do know that adding 10 grams to the tip increases squirt to about 1/2 q ball over about 6 feet of travel.
When tip mass is less than 3 gram change, I can not determine if it is squirt or me . This is with back to back tests and changing the tip mass.
So when it was 3 gram lighter , the average ball position was about the same. Over 6 shots, the pattern was not decisive.
Neil
dave sutton said:well i dont think i will be changing any ferrule on my new 2 piece ob1 shaft
thanks to ups...
Who packed the shafts? I place them into pvc waterpipe from local hardware store. Then put that into one of those twist cap tubes.
If idiots are transporting for you, you have to make it idiot proof.I am getting less impressed with ups lately. I am now using us post.
Neil
Sheldon said:I would also point out that overall weight is not what you want to be looking at when you are talking about deflection. It's the weight of the last 6" of the tip end that you need to really focus on. With that in mind, the ferrule plays a larger role than you might think.
EDIT: Looks like you beat me to it, Royce!
Below article by David G. Alciatore, PhD ("Dr. Dave"), also in Billiard Digest FEB-08, has "scientific" study of adding end mass weight and additional squirt. Surprisingly, adding .3 grams = 0.0105821886 and 1.1 grams = 0.0388013581 ounces can effect the squirt.
http://billiards.colostate.edu/bd_articles/2008/feb08.pdf
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conetip said:
no shaft was packed extremely well. that tube was think as hell. it took alot ot do that!!!! worst part is i was almost talked out of using ups. ive had usps break bend and loose multiple packages but never ups..
DAMN YOU UPS... DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!!!
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listen... i love you all and i knew it would get to this. dont take this the wrong way but i know the possible effects of changing the ferrule. i tried to make it clear i didnt want a warantee or squirt lesson just asking about the tenon.
i dont care if i get 10 inches of squirt
yuck... anyways
i put ivory on every shaft i play with. period. it could be a branch off a tree. if it screws on my cue it gets ivory
i dont care if i get 10 inches of squirt
yuck... anyways i put ivory on every shaft i play with. period. it could be a branch off a tree. if it screws on my cue it gets ivory
dave sutton said:listen... i love you all and i knew it would get to this. dont take this the wrong way but i know the possible effects of changing the ferrule. i tried to make it clear i didnt want a warantee or squirt lesson just asking about the tenon.
i dont care if i get 10 inches of squirt
i put ivory on every shaft i play with. period. it could be a branch off a tree. if it screws on my cue it gets ivory
I am a throw back from the 60s, but I love my Ivory ferrules. I just don't believe the figures about throw, squirt, bubble or what ever we're calling it. It's like saying my 243 Winchester is an 1/8" of an inch off target,at 300 yards from a 22-250. Believe me that is a killing shot, no matter what you are shooting. The difference between a 6 ft. shot, with an Ivory ferrule & a lighter ferrule is so small that no one can tell the difference. I agree that the statistics prove that a lighter tip will increase acuracy, BUT to what degree?
We need to look at these figures with some realalistc expectations. HOW MUCH IS THIS GOING TO INFLUENCE THE AVEAGE PLAYER...JER
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BLACKHEARTCUES said:
Ah, yes you are right Jerry, except you are comparing two very flat shooting rifles. That is similar to comparing a 314 to a OB-1. Using a 30-30 carbine against your 243 at a long shot like 5 or 600 yards. Just how close do they shoot now? Maybe 8 feet. Same with a low deflection shaft and a heavier normal deflection shaft. It could be as much as 3 inches or more.
Dick
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BLACKHEARTCUES said:
exactly my point. i can say there is a deffinite difference between a standard maple shaft and a 314 ob1 or tiger. the change in weight is so small my scale didnt even pick it up. didnt even change 1/10 of an ounce. i do not nedd to measure in hunfreths ot thousandths. the human body can barely feel 1/4 of an ounce. i also doubt i will be shooting a cueball 500 or 600 yards anytime soon.
if i do i will use my predator with the originals ferrule
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BLACKHEARTCUES said:
I'm with you Jerry - I don't believe in all that stuff about squirt either. I use Ivory on all my personal cues and have for over 30 years. Maybe the difference is that I do not use capped ferrules (which weigh more than un-capped ferrules) I use a 3/4 inch long thru ferrule which weight 25% less than a 1 inch long ferrule.
Good Cuemaking,
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