Cheap Chinese cue and video of me playing with it

My two cues one soft and one hard

Your cue sounds just like my hard cue. It's an Action cue that I had a hard tip installed on it a few months back. I'm now determined to have it replaced with a medium tip. It's too hard on me and It requires lots of chalk and lots of shaping because it stops holding the chalk after a couple of days. I play with it almost everyday so it does get a lot of work on the table also. My softer tip is the opposite and although I prefer it I don't love it. There are so many options out there though.

Replacing the shaft is a great idea too.

You have a nice stroke too.

I read some where that a great player can win with a basically straight broom and chalk :D Good luck!
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Here's the thing about quality cues and how they may effect performance.

There's are two issues IMO. One is the shaft and the other is the quality of the whole.

Radial consistency is hugely important in a cue, particularly more so if your cue has a large amount of deflection. If the spine of the shaft is very pronounced, its won't be possible to consistently compensate for deflection when using English and also as speed of stroke changes. You typically find yourself missing shots you thought you hit well and dont know why. This is often the case with lower quality shaft wood for a variety of reasons. The quality of the construction of the cue of a whole can also, to lesser degree, contribute to this.

The other issue and one that is more subjective , is the feel or feedback a cue provides. While this does little to effect the current shot , it can effect subsequent shots. Its important to most to gain feedback from each shot to maintain, tune and/or tweak your playing throughout a match. To know after each shot whether you executed a good stroke or not and to be able to make precise corrections on following shots. Generally low quality cues and poor construction methods cloud or obscure the cues ability to transmit the vibration and sound to the user in a concise and consistant understandable manner. This loss of shot to shot comparison can make it difficult to perform at higher levels and for extended periods of time.

The impact of these variables will be different for different players but may explain how improvement can be made by playing with a 'better' cue.

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Autist...Wow! I am very impressed at your progress! I hope my instructional dvds helped you to create that nice pendulum stroke...it sure looks good! The 'sound' of the hit, just like the "feel" of the hit, is very subjective to, the individual, and as others have mentioned, can be changed with the tip, ferrule, shaft, or joint. It's still subjective. One person loves the sound/feel of the cue, while to another it's like fingernails on a blackboard (bad). LOL If you don't "like" it, you should try something else. Since you're constrained geographically, it may be hard for you to be able to try out different things, other than tips (and it sounds like you've tried different tips...make sure to try different brands, rather than just different Elkmasters). A LD shaft may make a huge difference to you, but you have to invest a significant amount of money ($200+, in most cases). I might write a letter to one of the cue companies, like OB Cues in TX. Since you are helping others to learn, there is a possibility that they might "sponsor" you with one of their shafts, at no charge. I don't know this for sure, but they are good people, with good products, and they are out to promote the game. OBC (Royce Bunnell) here is someone you might correspond with.

Now, about your other question regarding missing something. Here's my observation, as an instructor. You have vastly improved your process overall. You have a great stroke, and make great use of cue weight and timing, from what I can see. What I notice is that your warmup cycle is not consistent, and that you don't stop long enough at the CB, before you pull the trigger, on a lot of shots. The warmups need to be consistent for a couple of reasons...1) so that you can do your process, set at the CB (for at least 1/2 second), and let your subconscious "decide" if you're 'ready or not'. When you don't stop long enough, sometimes you will rush the stroke. This can cause small errors that result in a miss. This is particularly important on shots where you're stretched out over the table...but important on all shots, especially easy ones (where we are most likely to rush); and 2) when you have a consistent warmup cycle, normally we will do the process once, stop at the CB, decide to go, and take that final stroke. If you stop and you're just not quite ready (for any reason), you can just stay down on the shot, and repeat your warmup cycle again (with another stop), until your brain say "green light/go". If your warmup cycle is not consistent, your subconscious can't ever figure out if you're ready or not...because it's never the same. Other than that, I sure like what I saw in your video. You're making great progress, and I hope you get a chance to compete in some higher level events in your country. Keep up the good work, and good luck with sharing your knowledge with others!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Hei there!

For a few months now, I have been thinking about buying myself a better cue. I have talked with Mr. Prulhiere and I will probably order a custom made cue for me. But I am not sure, 100%, yet.

For about 10 months, I have played with a cheap Chinese mass production cue made by Jiang Ying.(my 2nd cue ever, had similar cheap cue before that for a few months, but didn't take pool seriously then) I have never shot with a custom made or a good production cue before, therefore I don't know what I am missing, or not.


Does it really matter what kind of a cue I play with, just as long as I have a good tip on it? - This is the main question from me. Yes, I know the hit of the cue etc are very individual for everyone. And I can say I am used to my cue. But I can get used to a hand made cue also. But will I shoot better with a real cue when I get used to it?

I have read and watched videos about deflection. As much as I can make out, my cue has A LOT of deflection, but it seems I have gotten used to it.

I have never liked the sound of the hit of my cue. I have tried different tips, it's always the same, dead ugly sound. I can't hear it every time, but when I do, I feel like there is something wrong with the cue. You can clearly hear the sound from the first shot of the video I am about to post.


Also, on a semi-related note(maybe), I can't seem to be able to run out when I am supposed to, feels like I am missing some vital piece of information. I did manage to run out once today, but that was because some good fortune and to Mr. Buddy Hall, I learned the last shot of the video from his instructional video. :)

Help is appreciated!

Thanks alot!

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZYJ2MRqS5E
 
Hei there!

For a few months now, I have been thinking about buying myself a better cue. I have talked with Mr. Prulhiere and I will probably order a custom made cue for me. But I am not sure, 100%, yet.

For about 10 months, I have played with a cheap Chinese mass production cue made by Jiang Ying.(my 2nd cue ever, had similar cheap cue before that for a few months, but didn't take pool seriously then) I have never shot with a custom made or a good production cue before, therefore I don't know what I am missing, or not.


Does it really matter what kind of a cue I play with, just as long as I have a good tip on it? - This is the main question from me. Yes, I know the hit of the cue etc are very individual for everyone. And I can say I am used to my cue. But I can get used to a hand made cue also. But will I shoot better with a real cue when I get used to it?

I have read and watched videos about deflection. As much as I can make out, my cue has A LOT of deflection, but it seems I have gotten used to it.

I have never liked the sound of the hit of my cue. I have tried different tips, it's always the same, dead ugly sound. I can't hear it every time, but when I do, I feel like there is something wrong with the cue. You can clearly hear the sound from the first shot of the video I am about to post.


Also, on a semi-related note(maybe), I can't seem to be able to run out when I am supposed to, feels like I am missing some vital piece of information. I did manage to run out once today, but that was because some good fortune and to Mr. Buddy Hall, I learned the last shot of the video from his instructional video. :)

Help is appreciated!

Thanks alot!

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZYJ2MRqS5E



Think about it this way. A good musician can take a cheap instrument and play quality music with it but he will always prefer to use a high end instrument.....
 
Here's the thing about quality cues and how they may effect performance...While this does little to effect the current shot , it can effect subsequent shots....:)

The word you are looking for is 'affect'. A dictionary can explain the difference.

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steev...While I may feel the same way you do, and do know the difference between when to use 'affect' vs 'effect', does it really matter enough to call someone out on here for it? IMO, not. RRfireblade's posts are positive, informative, and usually spot on to the topic.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

The word you are looking for is 'affect'. A dictionary can explain the difference.

-s
 
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steev...While I may feel the same way you do, and do know the difference between when to use 'affect' vs 'effect', does it really matter enough to call someone out on here for it? IMO, not. RRfireblade's posts are positive, informative, and usually spot on to the topic.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Sometimes, yes. Guess I'm a troll. Oh well.

-s
 
steev...While I may feel the same way you do, and do know the difference between when to use 'affect' vs 'effect', does it really matter enough to call someone out on here for it? IMO, not. RRfireblade's posts are positive, informative, and usually spot on to the topic.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I agree Scott, nobody likes a hall monitor, however on 2-16-12 4:13 pm, when we were discussing Bill Grassley being the second shooter in the grassy knoll disguised as a road player carrying a dealer case, I incorrectly spelled Jack Ruby as Jack Rudy, and you corrected me with a smiley face as follows:

Scott Lee>>>No wonder everything is screwed up. Oswald got shot by the WRONG guy (that guy's name was Jack RUBY! ).

That really hurt
Just sayin
 
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Am I crazy or is that a bit of a piston stroke? It's obviously fine but I just wanted to point it out so you are aware of the slight elbow drop on the final backswing? Also, did you notice that on all the shots where you succeeded that your rhythm was 1-2-3-pause, backswing-pause, finish. The problem shots had a different routine with the stroke either rushed or simply unsure with a different number of warm ups. I think Scott already addressed this but I just wanted to emphasize it even more.
As far as sticks go, I know a whole bunch of players with super expensive custom cues who can't get out from a revolving door. Any stick with a decent tip that feels good is good enough. The important thing is that it feels good to you. On the flip side, sometimes if I play with a stick that that doesn't feel right(borrow one or my tip is shot etc...)I tend to stay closer to center ball and play a bit more conservative and seem to have a good win rate.(but that's another story).
 
Back to cues for a moment. Any cue will work for you up to a point once you get used to it as you said. The benefit of a custom made cue is that you can order EXACTLY what you want in terms of weight, balance, shaft taper, tip and ferrule material, etc. Additionally, if the maker uses properly aged wood and turned down the shafts over time properly, the cue will be less susceptible to warping.

The thing is, to make the most out of it you need to know what you want.
 
Ferrule all day, it sound like a slip on but im guessing its not, Im guessing its just a crap soft plastic thats just not doing its job IMHO.

Butt is fine, shaft is prilly rated medium, tips just fine... Just change the ferrule.:ok:
 
Hei there!

i pm you with answer.

Thank you, it was very informative!

Autist...Wow! I am very impressed at your progress! I hope my instructional dvds helped you to create that nice pendulum stroke...it sure looks good! The 'sound' of the hit, just like the "feel" of the hit, is very subjective to, the individual, and as others have mentioned, can be changed with the tip, ferrule, shaft, or joint. It's still subjective. One person loves the sound/feel of the cue, while to another it's like fingernails on a blackboard (bad). LOL If you don't "like" it, you should try something else. Since you're constrained geographically, it may be hard for you to be able to try out different things, other than tips (and it sounds like you've tried different tips...make sure to try different brands, rather than just different Elkmasters). A LD shaft may make a huge difference to you, but you have to invest a significant amount of money ($200+, in most cases). I might write a letter to one of the cue companies, like OB Cues in TX. Since you are helping others to learn, there is a possibility that they might "sponsor" you with one of their shafts, at no charge. I don't know this for sure, but they are good people, with good products, and they are out to promote the game. OBC (Royce Bunnell) here is someone you might correspond with.

Now, about your other question regarding missing something. Here's my observation, as an instructor. You have vastly improved your process overall. You have a great stroke, and make great use of cue weight and timing, from what I can see. What I notice is that your warmup cycle is not consistent, and that you don't stop long enough at the CB, before you pull the trigger, on a lot of shots. The warmups need to be consistent for a couple of reasons...1) so that you can do your process, set at the CB (for at least 1/2 second), and let your subconscious "decide" if you're 'ready or not'. When you don't stop long enough, sometimes you will rush the stroke. This can cause small errors that result in a miss. This is particularly important on shots where you're stretched out over the table...but important on all shots, especially easy ones (where we are most likely to rush); and 2) when you have a consistent warmup cycle, normally we will do the process once, stop at the CB, decide to go, and take that final stroke. If you stop and you're just not quite ready (for any reason), you can just stay down on the shot, and repeat your warmup cycle again (with another stop), until your brain say "green light/go". If your warmup cycle is not consistent, your subconscious can't ever figure out if you're ready or not...because it's never the same. Other than that, I sure like what I saw in your video. You're making great progress, and I hope you get a chance to compete in some higher level events in your country. Keep up the good work, and good luck with sharing your knowledge with others!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Hey Mr. Lee! Yes, the instructional DVDs you sent to me for free have been a huge part in my learning proccess, as for some of the youngsters I am trying to teach. One of them, a 13-year old boy, has actually made two or three break and runouts in 8-ball already. :)

Yep, I am limited in trying out new things. I have tried Kamui black SS, some rock hard tip that came with the cue, pressed Elkmaster, and regular Elkmaster.

I sure would appreciate if you sent that letter, I am not trying to get free stuff for doing nothing, but if it would help my game, I am sure I would be a better "instructor" for the kids with heightened motivation.

Thank you for the instructional notes, you are, as always, extremly observant and helpful! I am going to work hard on being able to perform consistent warmup cycles.

About competing in higher levels - I am. We have this league where all the top players compete, in which I decided to compete. I knew I was going to get beat, HARD, but I have a friend to go with, he is a lot better player than me.
We have 4 tournaments per year - 14.1, 8-ball, 9-ball, 10-ball. So far, I was demolished in 14.1(races to 75, lost all matches like 25-35/75), and also lost all matches in 8-ball, although managed to win some racks. I feel like I am playing at least 25% better now than in the last tournament, which was a few months ago, so I may have a shot at winning at least one match during the coming 9 ja 10 ball tournaments. :)



Ferrule all day, it sound like a slip on but im guessing its not, Im guessing its just a crap soft plastic thats just not doing its job IMHO.

Butt is fine, shaft is prilly rated medium, tips just fine... Just change the ferrule.:ok:

Yeah, it probably is some soft plastic thingie, but I don't think I have the ability to change the ferrule myself.
 
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i notice you only hear that tick sound during a hard shot, i have several china made cues in my hall and we often hear that sound when the weight bolt is loose, try to check the weight bolt first, i have tried same brand and its either a nice cue or a bad cue, i have a china made production cue that cost less that 10usd i made some little changes and it hits same as my southwest
 
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