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Kenny Wilson
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I sent the APA a suggestion for changing the 8-ball rules to at least CALL POCKET due to the seriousness of tourney situation. This is what the APA sent me in a email....
Check out the part about they believe in using the same rules the professionals use.
lol....

Kenny,

Thank you for contacting the APA National Office with your suggestions regarding the current 8-Ball format. I would like to stress that we appreciate any feedback and/or ideas from our members. I understand that you just wanted to "vent", but I do want to explain some of the reasons why we have the current rules of the 8-Ball format.

To begin, please allow me to refer you to page 2 of the Official Team Manual, the "Foreword", where it reads as follows:

"The APA realizes that some of the rules in this manual may be new
to you and does not imply these are the only rules. On the other
hand, these rules were assembled by a committee of well-traveled
professional players. The professionals use these rules when they play
8-Ball and 9-Ball, and these are the rules most commonly used in
North America during competition."

While other competitive leagues prefer to use "call pocket" rules, the APA has always believed in using the same rules that govern professional play, which is why we have not instituted a "call pocket" rule.



I hope I have helped to clarify your concerns. Thanks again for contacting the APA National Office. Good luck and good shooting!

Sincerely,
Alex Gooch
Support Representative
American Poolplayers Association
 
I've always liked the little pocket on the front right side of my jeans.....but I never know what to call it! :(



Primero! :)
 
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Someone jump in and correct me at any time, but has there ever been a pro 8-ball event that wasn't call ball and pocket?????? WTF are they talking about? Start listing all the pro 8-ball events that are full-on slop....
 
tigerseye said:
I sent the APA a suggestion for changing the 8-ball rules to at least CALL POCKET due to the seriousness of tourney situation. This is what the APA sent me in a email....
Check out the part about they believe in using the same rules the professionals use.
lol....

Kenny,

Thank you for contacting the APA National Office with your suggestions regarding the current 8-Ball format. I would like to stress that we appreciate any feedback and/or ideas from our members. I understand that you just wanted to "vent", but I do want to explain some of the reasons why we have the current rules of the 8-Ball format.

To begin, please allow me to refer you to page 2 of the Official Team Manual, the "Foreword", where it reads as follows:

"The APA realizes that some of the rules in this manual may be new
to you and does not imply these are the only rules. On the other
hand, these rules were assembled by a committee of well-traveled
professional players. The professionals use these rules when they play
8-Ball and 9-Ball, and these are the rules most commonly used in
North America during competition."

While other competitive leagues prefer to use "call pocket" rules, the APA has always believed in using the same rules that govern professional play, which is why we have not instituted a "call pocket" rule.



I hope I have helped to clarify your concerns. Thanks again for contacting the APA National Office. Good luck and good shooting!

Sincerely,
Alex Gooch
Support Representative
American Poolplayers Association
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The APA generates far too much money to risk changing anything. The players opinions carry absolutely no weight. It is a business first, pool league second unfortunately.
I sent in a suggestions about setting some standards for the tables we play on such as clearance around the table among other things......no response yet.
 
The one thing I've learned from these forums about APA over the last few years ............. I will NEVER play in it.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Someone jump in and correct me at any time, but has there ever been a pro 8-ball event that wasn't call ball and pocket?????? WTF are they talking about? Start listing all the pro 8-ball events that are full-on slop....
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I think the real question is...which "committee of well-traveled professional players" did the APA use to write these rules? Something sounds a little fishy in that statement in the 'foreward' of the "Official Team Manual" for the APA.

I guess I'm with IA8baller...I'll never play APA.

L8R....Ken
 
Bring on the pros!!!

tigerseye said:
On the other
hand, these rules were assembled by a committee of well-traveled
professional players. The professionals use these rules when they play
8-Ball and 9-Ball, and these are the rules most commonly used in
North America during competition.
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I never thought I'd say this....but these "well-traveled professional players" have got action!!! :grin-square:
 
Wait... this guy is claiming that slop in eight-ball is the rule for "professional play" in the US?

*facepalm*

You should write him back, politely asking for a list of tours/tourneys that allow slop their eight-ball events. Then get up and get on with your life - don't go waiting around for the answer :)
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Someone jump in and correct me at any time, but has there ever been a pro 8-ball event that wasn't call ball and pocket?????? WTF are they talking about? Start listing all the pro 8-ball events that are full-on slop....
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I sent a reply to this saying i have a hard time believing any professional would consider luck over skill....
Then i sent him the IPT professional 8-ball rules showing they play only call pocket....
I haven't heard anything from them yet.....lol!!
 
ScottW said:
Wait... this guy is claiming that slop in eight-ball is the rule for "professional play" in the US?

*facepalm*

You should write him back, politely asking for a list of tours/tourneys that allow slop their eight-ball events. Then get up and get on with your life - don't go waiting around for the answer :)
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Yep....
lol!!
 
If that's their reasoning for the "slop" rule, why not incorporate some of the other "professional rules", like having an open table until a ball is legally pocketed after the break, or allowing a push-out in 9 ball?

Steve
 
pooltchr said:
If that's their reasoning for the "slop" rule, why not incorporate some of the other "professional rules", like having an open table until a ball is legally pocketed after the break, or allowing a push-out in 9 ball?

Steve
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Exactly....
 
There have always been two questions that I just can't figure out.

The first is - why is 8-ball supposed to be call pocket, when the pro's playing 9-ball can luck the ball in anywhere? What is it exactly that makes 8-ball different than 9-ball? Really. :confused:I've just never understood this. Are the amateurs supposed to play call pocket but the pro's get to take any luck they get playing 9-ball?

The second is - why is it that people call it "call pocket". I mean, to be technical, shouldn't it be "call shot"? To be honest, allowing a player to call the ball and then the pocket just doesn't cut it. For the "luck" to be out of the equation, shouldn't they have to indicate whether they are shooting the ball straight in, banking, etc...??? Too many times I have seen a player indicate the ball and the pocket, only to have it carom off of another ball, completely miss the pocket and then go three rails and fall into the indicated pocket. Doesnt seem to me that takes the luck out of it.

Just thinking....
 
There's a little game we like to call One-Pocket. You should try it out some time.
 
Most of the time I quietly follow the forums because I love pool and like to hear the stories from all over. This time I just have to speak up. The reason the APA is not going to change the rules to call pocket (IMHO) is it gives the advantage to the higher skill player. This takes away from in some respect the possibility that "everyone can play, anyone can win."

I am not a great player by any means but I play decent yet in my 12 years in the APA I can not ever recall losing a match because someone slopped a ball in. Especially 8-ball. Now in 9-ball a player can slop a ball in and go on to run the rack but hey that's 9-ball, right? I have had the same thing happen playing 9-ball pro tournaments where a player (myself included) have slopped a ball in and continued to run out the rack. Sometimes that can be a big momentum shifter and change the eventual outcome of the race.

Truth is APA league play (or any league play) is not intended to determine who is the best player since the races are to short to determine that. League play is meant to be a fun social setting where we can compete against players of various skill levels and help bring new people into our sport. If we as the better players are constantly complaining about the rules not being in our favor we will never see our sport grow to the masses the way it should. We can't always have the nutz. Just accept it and do your best. On the other hand if you are gambling and you make a bad game that is your own problem, right?:wink:
 
Eieio59 said:
There have always been two questions that I just can't figure out.

The first is - why is 8-ball supposed to be call pocket, when the pro's playing 9-ball can luck the ball in anywhere? What is it exactly that makes 8-ball different than 9-ball? Really. :confused:I've just never understood this. Are the amateurs supposed to play call pocket but the pro's get to take any luck they get playing 9-ball?

The second is - why is it that people call it "call pocket". I mean, to be technical, shouldn't it be "call shot"? To be honest, allowing a player to call the ball and then the pocket just doesn't cut it. For the "luck" to be out of the equation, shouldn't they have to indicate whether they are shooting the ball straight in, banking, etc...??? Too many times I have seen a player indicate the ball and the pocket, only to have it carom off of another ball, completely miss the pocket and then go three rails and fall into the indicated pocket. Doesnt seem to me that takes the luck out of it.

Just thinking....
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I totally agree with you on changing the rules of 9-ball to call shot....
I think the reason that they play call chot on 8-ball is because there are more balls to luck shots off of.
 
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