Choose low-end Falcon or Joss or Pechauer?

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NervousNovice

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Hello Everybody.


This is a sequel to http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=61961. A new post is created since there are some major changes. I read other posts about the 3 brands but people usually talk about the older or more expensive models. I am not sure if they reflect the particular low-end models that I'm looking at. So I hope my post is not repetitive.


I'm looking for a production cue for less than $220 USD. No custom. No 2nd hand. I played with a low-end McDermott before and now want to try something different. Here are the cues that I'm looking at.


Falcon FAL01 $204
falcon-pool-cue-fal01-small.jpg

http://www.pooldawg.com/product/falcon-fal01-ebony-points-sneaky-pete-pool-cue-stick

Falcon FAL02 $188
falcon-pool-cue-fal02-small.jpg

http://www.pooldawg.com/product/falcon-fal02-maple-with-rosewood-rings-pool-cue-stick

Joss JOS01 $204
list_jos01.gif

http://www.pooldawg.com/product/joss-jos01-maple-with-six-ebony-circles-pool-cue-stick

Joss JOS02 $212
list_jos02.gif

http://www.pooldawg.com/product/joss-jos02-mother-of-pearl-circles-pool-cue-stick

Pechauer J01 $216
J01_hor.jpg

http://www.seyberts.com/pool_cues/cue-model_number-J01.htm


Here is what I learnt from other posts. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

The FAL01 has wood-to-wood joint so it should give a soft hit like my McD.
The FAL02 and both Joss have 5/16 x 14 SS joint so should give a solid hit.
The Joss have thicker shaft so should give an even stiffer hit.

What joint and pin does the Pechauer use?
What is the white collar made of? Phenolic? I heard phenolic gives a soft hit.
How does it compare with a stainless steel collar?
High-end Joss and Pechauer have similar hit and quality. I'm not sure if that is still true in my case.

Finally, and more importantly, which one will you choose? Why? Or other great suggestions?


Thank you.
 
I'd get the joss personally. Think that joss makes one of the best production cues made today. I've had one of joss o1's and they are a nice looking cue.
 
I personally would take the Pechauer and never look back, but I would not buy it from nielsens.
I have a Pechauer JP06 that has been my main playing cue for 2 years and I love the thing. It has the same joint as the cue you have pictured and has a little softer hit, but the balance and feel of the cue are awesome.

Here is where I would purchase the pechauer from: http://stores.ebay.com/Nielsens-Bil...m-Cues_W0QQcolZ2QQdirZ1QQfsubZ5QQftidZ2QQtZkm
I know it has ebay in the address and you said no ebay, but this is a realy store near Chicago that also has an ebay store. Call and talk to Joe Nielsen and he will answer every one of you questions and give you a discount for being an AZ member. Plus Joe is one the best online seller around with unbeleivably fast shipping (just search this forum for nielsens billiards and you will see).

Let me know if you have any specific questions about the pechauer cue and I will try to answer them.

-Pete

P.S. You may want to think about adding a poll to your thread (if you can do that with the edit window) as it would be a quick way to tally all of the opinions of the members.
 
another cue to consider .. FAlcon WS01... bout 200 or so ...I owned this cue and absoulty loved it, got rid of it b/c I got some new cues and didnt need it any longer, shoulda kept it....
 
The other cue....

NervousNovice said:
Hello Everybody.


This is a sequel to http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=61961. A new post is created since there are some major changes. I read other posts about the 3 brands but people usually talk about the older or more expensive models. I am not sure if they reflect the particular low-end models that I'm looking at. So I hope my post is not repetitive.


I'm looking for a production cue for less than $220 USD. No custom. No 2nd hand. I played with a low-end McDermott before and now want to try something different. Here are the cues that I'm looking at.


Falcon FAL01 $204
falcon-pool-cue-fal01-small.jpg

http://www.pooldawg.com/product/falcon-fal01-ebony-points-sneaky-pete-pool-cue-stick

Falcon FAL02 $188
falcon-pool-cue-fal02-small.jpg

http://www.pooldawg.com/product/falcon-fal02-maple-with-rosewood-rings-pool-cue-stick

Joss JOS01 $204
list_jos01.gif

http://www.pooldawg.com/product/joss-jos01-maple-with-six-ebony-circles-pool-cue-stick

Joss JOS02 $212
list_jos02.gif

http://www.pooldawg.com/product/joss-jos02-mother-of-pearl-circles-pool-cue-stick

Pechauer J01 $216
J01_hor.jpg

http://www.seyberts.com/pool_cues/cue-model_number-J01.htm


Here is what I learnt from other posts. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

The FAL01 has wood-to-wood joint so it should give a soft hit like my McD.
The FAL02 and both Joss have 5/16 x 14 SS joint so should give a solid hit.
The Joss have thicker shaft so should give an even stiffer hit.

What joint and pin does the Pechauer use?
What is the white collar made of? Phenolic? I heard phenolic gives a soft hit.
How does it compare with a stainless steel collar?
High-end Joss and Pechauer have similar hit and quality. I'm not sure if that is still true in my case.

Finally, and more importantly, which one will you choose? Why? Or other great suggestions?


Thank you.
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I would suggest, as a Mcdermott user also, that you try the Jacoby wood to wood I own 2 and love them as much as my http://www.jacobycue.com/beloved McDermotts!
 
I'd go with the fal02, I've been playing with a low end falcon for about five years now. I used to play with a schon but I think the falcon is a better cue.
 
I've got both of the Falcons up there and both hit fine. Have been using a
Coker for the past 3 years, but I'm still pleased by how the Falcons hit when I pull them out on occasion. If I were looking for a new sneaky, though, I might also think of spending $100 more and getting one from Jerry Powers or Mike Stacey, who use bigger pins.
 
I have played with low and high end Joss, Falcon and JPs, and if that is your list then I would start with the Falcons then Joss then the JP (dont do it unless you move up a few models like to one of his SPs).
I am thinking about this cue right here.
I own one of his other cues and it is really nice.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=62779

Good luck,
 
I think you'll get a lot of advice on here but no consensus. I've played with all 3 and believe all make a nice cue for the money. I personally have a Falcon with the SS joint and it plays great but not too different from the Joss. It does have a little stiffer taper to the shaft. If you're looking for a polar opposite hit from your McD I'd go with one of those two. I know you're not interested in second hand and I hate to endorse Ebay but you can get a great deal on a fancy Falcon on there second hand. They just never seem to bring a lot of bidders. Good luck with your selection.
 
Thanks for all the comments. Greatly appreciated. I know there won't be any consensus among the cues; after all they are all good manufacturers.

I have only played with a McD before. I'm not against the wood-to-wood soft hit but I have yet to try other setup to say what I like and don't like. Therefore, I would like to hear different people comment on the hit of those cues.
 
The previous poster is correct. You will get a ton of advice but no clear winner. Cues are different for everyone. Some people like steel jointed some like wood to wood while others like radial pins. Point is...this probably isnt the best way to decide on the purchase of a new cue. The best way, in my opinion, is to test hit as many cues as you can before making a choice. Find some local players who have similar cues to these that you are thinking about buying and ask them about their cues. Also, if you are lucky and they are nice, they will let you hit some balls around with them. This is your best bet.

I have owned all three and out of the three I would personally go with the Pechauer. However...if I was in your shoes and I knew then what I know...I would buy a custom sneaky pete to start out with. I would find out what joint I liked and go from there. There are tons of custom starters out there for less than 400 bucks. A little extra money WELL SPENT!!!!!
 
For example

StrokeofLuck said:
I think you'll get a lot of advice on here but no consensus. I've played with all 3 and believe all make a nice cue for the money. I personally have a Falcon with the SS joint and it plays great but not too different from the Joss. It does have a little stiffer taper to the shaft. If you're looking for a polar opposite hit from your McD I'd go with one of those two. I know you're not interested in second hand and I hate to endorse Ebay but you can get a great deal on a fancy Falcon on there second hand. They just never seem to bring a lot of bidders. Good luck with your selection.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/Falcon-Pool-Cue...ryZ21212QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 
My wife bought a Pechauer and loves it. We also have a Falcon, one of the old good ones, and a Joss.

We like the Joss also.

There is one very important reason that we like the Pechauer best. It is front weighted. Now logically, this doesn't mean that all the Pechauers will be front weigthed. My wife tested every cue in Champions and the 20.5 inch forward weighted Pechauer beat all the other cues by a landslide.

We compared the weight of the Pechauer shaft to the other cues I mentioned and it is MUCH heavier.

We heard that Pechauer grows his own wood, and it is better quality than the Maple shafts which mostly are coming from Canada right now. Whether this is true or not, I don't know. Maybe someone else who really knows can verify this.
 
bomber said:
The previous poster is correct. You will get a ton of advice but no clear winner. Cues are different for everyone. Some people like steel jointed some like wood to wood while others like radial pins. ...
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My understanding is that SS joint is solid hit, wood-to-wood joint is soft hit. Correct? What about radial pin? How is the hit? Why is it called radial?

whitewolf said:
There is one very important reason that we like the Pechauer best. It is front weighted. Now logically, this doesn't mean that all the Pechauers will be front weigthed. My wife tested every cue in Champions and the 20.5 inch forward weighted Pechauer beat all the other cues by a landslide.

We compared the weight of the Pechauer shaft to the other cues I mentioned and it is MUCH heavier.

We heard that Pechauer grows his own wood, and it is better quality than the Maple shafts which mostly are coming from Canada right now. Whether this is true or not, I don't know. Maybe someone else who really knows can verify this.
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I heard that McD cues are weighted heavily towards the butt. Does the front weighted Pechauer give more balance and control?

I heard that Pechaurer grows his own wood too.
 
i hope this is right

this will show you the two most common options in cue taper,
that along with ferrule, tip, joint type and face,
as well as balance and construction make up your "feel".

Personally I wish i'd have gotten a g10 radial pin
on my flat wood to wood sweet sixteen.
maybe next time.

I played with a predator sneaky uni-lock radial (i believe)
with a z shaft (euro taper, 11.75mm) and had ridiculous
confidence with it. I could go anywhere I wanted.

The Radial pin, as it's a registered trademark of Uni-lock
describes the diameter of the pin and it's thread character,
the same as McDermott, for example, uses the 3/8x10,
stainless or brass, maybe i'm wrong on the material but
you get the idea. G-10 is a glass resin which is very
forgiving. It will flex with the wood as opposed to a
metal that doesn't want to move. G-10 is also the
material that some cuemakers are using for their ferrule,
re. lightning bolt j/b.

I'm getting used to the new feel and really like the softness
of the wood to wood with the stiffness of the pro taper.

I can't wait to put an ob-1 shaft on my Dominiak,
and then a z^2 and suddenly my arsenal is a triple threat.
:D :D :D

ps. hope this helps
 
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Well, not one of your choices but you should consider a "Dominiak" cue.

The 1020 or the Dirtycurly are both below the price of the cues you listed. I think many people on here own one and will testify to the hit and playability of them.

http://www.dominiakcues.com/dirtycurly.html

I just got mine a week ago and already love the thing. Just an awsome hittting cue.
 
i have both brands and i like the Joss alot more, Perch cues are well made i just dont like how mine plays.
 
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