CJ Wiley's Aiming system=CTE=?
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No. It's a fractional system.
Its not the cte pivot system but he does use the center and edge.
CJ's System
I don't know if it's available anymore, but there used to be a book called "Billiards Accuracy" by one Marvin Chen. It's almost identical to CJ's system, which is, as posted, a fraction-of-the-ball system. It seems to me that anybody who can visualize fractions of the cue ball ought to be able to visualize the "ghost ball" method of aiming too, but I'm not claiming to be the expert that CJ is. Happy Thanksgiving, everybody. GF
I don't know if it's available anymore, but there used to be a book called "Billiards Accuracy" by one Marvin Chen. It's almost identical to CJ's system, which is, as posted, a fraction-of-the-ball system. It seems to me that anybody who can visualize fractions of the cue ball ought to be able to visualize the "ghost ball" method of aiming too, but I'm not claiming to be the expert that CJ is. Happy Thanksgiving, everybody. GF
Thanks guys. I've been aiming a certain way for way too long to change now, but I worked with it for about an hour today and it's pretty cool really. I throw most cut shots in so it took a little getting use too for me to adjust. I can see me using it for cinch shots that you just have to make the ball. Johnnyt
If you are throwing your cut shots with outside english, do you get the shape you need when inside english is called for?
George, the aiming system Marvin Chin presents in his "billiards accuracy" book is not at all like CJ's system.
CJ's "Ultimate Aiming System" involves aiming a limited number of fixed points on the cue ball (CB) at an even more limited number of locations on the object ball (OB). While it involves more cut angles than Houle's "quarters" system, CJ's system is not geometrically sound for all shots, because it involves a limited number of cut angles -- too limited to be precise for all shots. CJ speaks as if it does precisely pocket all shots. But I imagine that's a "developed skill," if you will, resulting from occasionally aiming, consciously or unconsciously, slightly thicker or slightly thinner on one of the reference cuts.
Marvin Chin calls his system the "2-point equal portion system." It involves finding the contact point on the OB and then mentally drawing a line or plane through the CB and OB such that the portions of the two balls that the line or plane would slice off are the same size (but on opposite sides of the two balls). In other words, this is another way of thinking of contact-point-to-contact-point aiming. As such, it is geometrically sound for all shots. It's the "equal but opposite" way of aiming. It is exact, in theory, rather than approximate.
Say more, please, about what you mean.
Marvin's system involves aiming a piece of the cueball at a piece of the object ball. CJ's system involves aiming a piece of the cueball at a fixed edge of the object ball. For all intents and purposes, the systems are different in description alone. In execution, they are pretty much identical.
Marvin uses cutting edge to contact edge as his reference. CJ uses slices of the cueball vs the contact edge. Not all that different.
Are you asking about my problem with parallax views?
Wiki:
"Parallax is an apparent displacement or difference in the apparent position of an object viewed along two different lines of sight, and is measured by the angle or semi-angle of inclination between those two lines."
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"Marvin's system involves aiming a piece of the cueball at a piece of the object ball. CJ's system involves aiming a piece of the cueball at a fixed edge of the object ball. For all intents and purposes, the systems are different in description alone. In execution, they are pretty much identical."
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Both Marvin and CJ asks that one shift his visual line of reference away from the center of the CB to focus on the contact point on the CB to the contact point on the OB...or edge or.... for a center CB hit, the cue must be parallel to this visual line with the cue tip aimed at the center of the CB.
This will send the CB to the GB, but if the shift is not parallel or the correct angle, one will be off by that small angular error and hit the OB a bit thin or thick.
Then when the OB is down table from the CB it appears to be a smaller diameter, the aim line, for me, must be tweaked to accomodate this.
Just saying.:smile:
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Ju got it, mang.
I like Chin's system, on paper. It's hard to see the two dimensional aspect of his aiming system on a three dimensional playing surface.
I like CJ's explanation of how his system works on the table, as he only uses the edge of the object ball. as it is the only "finite" point. You can only "judge" centre on an object ball. You can use centre on the cueball, as it's right in front of you.
Perhaps an alternative could be a Chin-Wiley system of aiming. Use Chin's method to explain why it works. Then, use a point of "double the distance" from the contact point of the object ball when figuring out which part of the cueball to line up with the edge. For instance, let's say the contact points are about a half tip inside the contact edges. This would result in an alignment point of one tip inside the edge of the cueball, lined up directly with the contact edge of the object ball.
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There is a site to find used and out of print books. Used.addall.com
Try http://used.addall.com/SuperRare/submitPlugin.cgi?searchTerm=Billiards+Accuracy for the book noted by Martin Chen.
There is a site to find used and out of print books. Used.addall.com
Try http://used.addall.com/SuperRare/submitPlugin.cgi?searchTerm=Billiards+Accuracy for the book noted by Martin Chen.
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Do you know if CJ is playing in any big tournaments coming up like Turningstone or is he just gambling? Johnnyt
Can anybody fill in some blanks for me? I heard CJ ran with Buddy Hall years back. Just curious. I'm working on a little something and I'm trying to put some things together.
Best,
Mike