Clashes being Sorted Out!

Colin Colenso

Colin Colenso

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Pro9dg, who I know as a well informed insider of the sport, in another thread mentioned that a compromise is in the works to avoid a couple of major event clashes.

His note suggested that the Mosconi Cup would be moved to an earlier date to avoid the KOH clash and that in return the IPT would move the IPT Player's Championship in the UK to an earlier date so that the clash with the WPC 9-Ball could be avoided.

Nothing concrete at this stage, but I hope by providing this alert that some may be able to provide verification and more information.

Colin
 
I've been following the threads on this whole thing the past few days when I could (around driving cross country, getting re-settled in my home, etc). Lots of accusations and bile being spewed about. Here's hoping that things get worked out to everyone's (or at least, the vast majority's) satisfaction.
 
ScottW said:
I've been following the threads on this whole thing the past few days when I could (around driving cross country, getting re-settled in my home, etc). Lots of accusations and bile being spewed about. Here's hoping that things get worked out to everyone's (or at least, the vast majority's) satisfaction.
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Hi Scott,
I think the majority here have shown the opinion, that if clashes are a cost of th IPT succeeding then they are willing to accept it.

But that if the IPT can survive at no cost to the traditionally enjoyed events then that is great.

Let's continue to hope their are as few as possible casulties and as many possible benefactors with coming developments.
 
Colin Colenso said:
Pro9dg, who I know as a well informed insider of the sport, in another thread mentioned that a compromise is in the works to avoid a couple of major event clashes.

His note suggested that the Mosconi Cup would be moved to an earlier date to avoid the KOH clash and that in return the IPT would move the IPT Player's Championship in the UK to an earlier date so that the clash with the WPC 9-Ball could be avoided.

Nothing concrete at this stage, but I hope by providing this alert that some may be able to provide verification and more information.

Colin
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I for one hope that this true, it would be ashame to see events like the US Open and Mosconi Cup ruined because of something as simple as a scheduling conflict.
 
Colin Colenso said:
Hi Scott,
I think the majority here have shown the opinion, that if clashes are a cost of th IPT succeeding then they are willing to accept it.

But that if the IPT can survive at no cost to the traditionally enjoyed events then that is great.

Let's continue to hope their are as few as possible casulties and as many possible benefactors with coming developments.
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Forget about "The Calculator." From now on, you're Colin the Ambassador!

"Ambassador" means:

1. A diplomatic official of the highest rank appointed and accredited as representative in residence by one government or sovereign to another, usually for a specific length of time.

2. A diplomatic official heading his or her country's permanent mission to certain international organizations, such as the United Nations.

3. An authorized messenger or representative.

4. An unofficial representative: ambassadors of goodwill.

You fall right into No.4, and as such, I hereby dub you as: "Colin the Ambassador of Goodwill!" You may now take a bow! :)

JAM
 
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Colin Colenso said:
Hi Scott,
I think the majority here have shown the opinion, that if clashes are a cost of the IPT succeeding then they are willing to accept it.
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Well, in the tech world at least, there are the inevitable shakeups - new tech arrives, begins supplanting the old tech - the folks invested in the old tech fight it, eventually adapting or going away, and the new tech wins.

But pool isn't tech - it's not something that you can point at and say "this new way works better than the old way" with 100% certainty. Pool isn't about things - it's about people, it's about relationships.

If indeed, claims were made to avoid scheduling conflicts with existing events, and those claims were either false to begin with, or simply tossed aside when they became inconvenient; i.e. there were no efforts made to avoid conflicts... that's not good. No matter how much good the IPT could be - if the people running it show themselves to be untrustworthy, then in the end, the IPT itself could suffer, as there's no way such an organization could flourish without the cooperation of others - others who may well come to mistrust the IPT folks. They could well be burning bridges before they cross them.

That's why I'm hoping this is all a big misunderstanding, and that things will work out.
 
Are the IPT players still banned from WPA events? If so would it not really matter if it clashed with the world championships for example? And its not like any of the events will be televised live over here.
 
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JAM said:
Forget about "The Calculator." From now on, you're Colin the Ambassador!

"Ambassador" means:

1. A diplomatic official of the highest rank appointed and accredited as representative in residence by one government or sovereign to another, usually for a specific length of time.

2. A diplomatic official heading his or her country's permanent mission to certain international organizations, such as the United Nations.

3. An authorized messenger or representative.

4. An unofficial representative: ambassadors of goodwill.

You fall right into No.4, and as such, I hereby dub you as: "Colin the Ambassador of Goodwill!" You may now take a bow! :)

JAM
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I'm reminded from a scene in "The Life of Brian", when in response to a crowd of devotees chanting that Brian is the true messiah, his mother responds that he is just 'a naughty boy'.

As usual the truth is somewhere in the middle:D
 
Cameron Smith said:
Are the IPT players still banned from WPA events? If so would it not really matter if it clashed with the world championships for example? And its not like any of the events will be televised live over here.
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No, they never were banned from WPA events, even though the press release via the APBU appeared to suggest this would be the case.

I've even heard that that APBU response, was in fact directed moreso at the operation of Dragon Promotions activities in Korea.

But as usual for these bureaucratic associations, they have their fingers about 3 layers of clothing away from the pulse and their feet about 1/3 of a step away from their mouths.:rolleyes: ...:p
 
That's good news! I sure hope Barry and the WPA and who ever else got hot and bothered don't make a huge deal out of this, if you saw what the IPT had to deal with on open dates and logistics, people wouldn't be so fast to jump all over them like they did this to hurt them. The fact remains this could work out to benefit all tours tremendously if they take the chances and do more thinking outside the box. (and yes smaller tournaments if they think they need to, will have to bend and move around the larger tour or tours)

Scheduling conflicts are only going to get harder to deal with if pool grows like it should, at some point you will have many unavoidable conflicts, thats a good thing:)

You'll have an amazing tour of players trying to make the IPT or just playing in the 9-ball tournaments, and many of those tournaments will grow in size and money, but you'll still have some complaining about the IPT.

Also If the IPT is successful, someone will make money with an under 8-ball tournament trail of players trying to make the IPT, consisting of 8 or more stops. If this does happen it will put even more pressure on current pool schedules. A good thing!

Yes I know they had a difficult situation and feel slighted, but life's not always a bowl of cheerios, but I'm convinced this will be good for all those who feel pressure from the IPT, I would welcome the IPT and hope it succeeds wildly, I would be looking at and trying to create bigger and better opportunities around the IPT and any hoopla it creates.
 
Colin Colenso said:
And the latest news is the US Open has shifted dates and will go ahead!
http://www.billiardclub.net/showarticle.php?articleID=75
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What's interesting is that they will be posting their dates for the next 3 years. Wouldn't it be more prudent to see what the IPT's schedule is going to be first? My understanding is that the next 2 year's schedules are coming out very soon, as they were easier to secure than this year's.

Btw, I did call all the IPT sites listed and asked each one, giving the 2 criteria to their Sales/Convention booking - Did they have a 2 week period free to accommodate 60,000 sf somewhere in their calendar this year?

The Venetian was the only one that would answer that or got back to me and they said the only other times were in December, which would have conflicted with the other dates already chosen for Dec. SOOOOOOO, could it be that KT was telling the truth? :eek: :p
 
JAM said:
Forget about "The Calculator." From now on, you're Colin the Ambassador!

"Ambassador" means:

1. A diplomatic official of the highest rank appointed and accredited as representative in residence by one government or sovereign to another, usually for a specific length of time.

2. A diplomatic official heading his or her country's permanent mission to certain international organizations, such as the United Nations.

3. An authorized messenger or representative.

4. An unofficial representative: ambassadors of goodwill.

You fall right into No.4, and as such, I hereby dub you as: "Colin the Ambassador of Goodwill!" You may now take a bow! :)

JAM
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I so told you mate! :D :eek: :p
 
All in all fantastic news!

I would like to say I'm really please this has been sorted out. Without wishing to pressume too much:

1) When the IPT first launched there was a public outcry about the advance of $899 months before any event would take place, this was scrapped.

2) Next there was a public outcry about the selection process and handpicking players. The IPT didn't use the entries already recieved, he set up qualifiers for the vacant spots so a handful of players could truly each their spots.

3) Many people have complained about the high entry of qualifiers, extra awards where created for running a 6 pack, beating the Mouth, and placing high in the Quals.

4) Another public uproar about the obvious lack of working with other promoters to avoid date clashes. Just days later we hear that the IPT has agreed to re-arrange dates and listen to the people! :D

Make no mistake the IPT reads these forums, its a free gauge of public opinion. The WPA calendar is there for all too see, the IPT made it clear that "they had done everything they could" and "venues where just too hard to find" etc etc, this after months of waiting, now just days later they come up with a fix! Now lets take those 13k blinkers off and celebrate this compromise for ALL players. I know for sure that many many of the IPT players (if not all the ones on this board) will be delighted to be able to play in BOTH the IPT and the best of what the WPA has to offer.

This is what free speach and discussion forums are about. We don't need to walk on egg shells, KT is a big boy who's probably has very thick skin by now. Constructive critism can be helpful, we don't have to pretend the IPT is perfect, we should continue to not only praise the wonderful strides it is making but also raise our hands in unity if we see something that isn't in the best interests of ALL pool players. It has just been proven that this can EASILY be avoided. I wonder what would have happened if we all kept stum and the promoters just gave up as some wished. I doubt the IPT would have changed a thing. Its good to see that they do listen and they can change.

Go the IPT! (ra ra ra!) :D
 
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Colin Colenso said:
But as usual for these bureaucratic associations, they have their fingers about 3 layers of clothing away from the pulse and their feet about 1/3 of a step away from their mouths.:rolleyes: ...:p
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I like that.

Well I remember hearing that they would ban players, it was good move on their part not to.
 
Sounds like people are quick to take credit for clearing up this scheduling conflict.

In truth it seems to me the IPT did exactly what they promised. They posted their schedules well in advance so that everyone knew their plans. Most of the dates were fine. A couple were problems. But because the IPT announced their plans so far ahead these dates could be worked around.

And in a matter of hours, yes hours, the conflicts were resolved. That tells me someone was working behind the scenes. Someone was working with the other tours.

I suspect that rather than talk the scheduling to death with all the other tours and never being able to come to agreement the IPT made their announcements and forced the other tours to stop talking and take action.

I still find it amazing that Barry announced that he might have to cancel the US Open because the ONLY dates available to him were in late December. How then, in a matter of hours, did his new dates become available? And besides, no one wanted the US Open in early September anyway, they wanted it in late September.

Well, it seems like everything is working out for the best.

I would sure hope that Barry makes it his business to get his butt over to one of the IPT events and meet KT. He might even get him to work with him and sponsor part of the Open. Maybe we will see some Natural Cures logos at the US Open.

Jake
 
jjinfla said:
Sounds like people are quick to take credit for clearing up this scheduling conflict.

In truth it seems to me the IPT did exactly what they promised. They posted their schedules well in advance so that everyone knew their plans. Most of the dates were fine. A couple were problems. But because the IPT announced their plans so far ahead these dates could be worked around.

And in a matter of hours, yes hours, the conflicts were resolved. That tells me someone was working behind the scenes. Someone was working with the other tours.

I suspect that rather than talk the scheduling to death with all the other tours and never being able to come to agreement the IPT made their announcements and forced the other tours to stop talking and take action.

I still find it amazing that Barry announced that he might have to cancel the US Open because the ONLY dates available to him were in late December. How then, in a matter of hours, did his new dates become available? And besides, no one wanted the US Open in early September anyway, they wanted it in late September.

Well, it seems like everything is working out for the best.

I would sure hope that Barry makes it his business to get his butt over to one of the IPT events and meet KT. He might even get him to work with him and sponsor part of the Open. Maybe we will see some Natural Cures logos at the US Open.

Jake
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So youre saying the IPT looked at the WPA calendar, spent months working on venues and the schedule, made agreements with venues and press released the schedule. Took a couple of body blows from other TD's and forums....

...but it was all just a cunning plan to get the promoters talking so they could change it all later?

I am confused, according to KT they worked tirelessly working with other promoters to avoid conflicts. How come they couldn't come up with a solution to avoid the conflicts in "all those months of talking"? Yet they managed it in a couple of days, oh after two well know TD's from different countries came out and basically said KT is telling porky pies. :rolleyes:

Me thinks your smoking something very strong Jake :D

But anyway, good news for everybody that this has been nipped in the bud early, there's a good chance this will never happen again now.
 
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