The Weave is what makes cloth. 760 and 860 are both twills
Cloth 860 vs 920?
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Better? Or just different? Never played on it. I'm assuming its faster. Looked it up and it is more expensive for sure. Why does Pyramid need this cloth? Curious.
Large heavy balls
The $ cost for a set of top-quality cushion rubbers is not nearly as much $ as the labor required to get a properly qualified mechanic to remove the old cushion rubbers, carefully remove all the glue from the sub rails, properly install the new cushion rubbers, not to mention the cost of the cloth, cushion facings, and more labor to completely finish the job.
Most installers these days will charge you anywhere from $400 to $500 to completely re-cover / re-level a table with new Championship cloth, an additional $150 - $200 if using Simonis cloth, then likely another $400 to $500 for the new cushion installation including the cost of the new cushions and facings. Yes, the price adds up quickly, but you’ll get what you pay for if you try to find an unqualified mechanic to do the work!
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3c uses heavy balls and Simonis300 is paper thin. Simonis' site recommends 760 or 950 for Pyramyd. Both weight the same per yd. Says its(950) is pressed(?) and sheared differently. I'm guessing this ups the speed. Its expensive that's for sure, about 700bux to do a 10' and 750-800 for a full 12' Pyramid table.
Here in Finland 950 and 760 exactly same price.
In our private club we used to have 760 on Finnish Kaisa tables that are similar to Russian Pyramid tables. Then we also get couple Pyramid tables. They did come with 950. After about year we noticed 950 was lasting longer in good condition than 760. So we get 950 to Kaisa tables too..
Speed is about same than 760 but 950 plays more like 860 when drawing ball. Spin grabs better. Cloth is still really fast but have more control than 760.
Sounds nice. Like to play on it. Never seen it.
I tried it.. I hit as hard as I can without bouncing cue ball off. It can barely reach the 4th rail and stop there
Sounds to me like it was not stretched properly. Shouldn't be that slow.
I’ve made a short video above. Didn’t know how to multi-quote to ping you.
Just tried this on two GC4's with 860. Got about the same result. Been on about 2mos. Humid Tulsa conditions. Tried it on the table with Andy988, got another length or so with it.
It doesn't look terrible. I think you might be hitting a little too low on the ball
I can hear a problem…. either your cushions are dead, or the glue is debonded or the rail bolts are loose.
it barely making 4 at that speed is passable but there’s def an issue and it’s not the cloth.
Ooof wow that is def pricey. The pressing makes sense as you explained it.
I get that the 300 is thinner but remember there’s only 3 balls on the table so a lot less wear overall, to me that makes sense.
and if the 950 is the same thread as the 760 it has nylon in it. The 300 if I’m not mistaken is 100% wool
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Yes I can feel that they’re a little dead compared to before the guy installed the new cloth. It’s little humid weather here where I live in the Middle East so that may be a factor.
I wonder if there’s instruction video where I can check if the bolts are lose and to see if I can tightening them a tad.
The problem with calling the mechanic who installed is that most of them aren’t players so if they see this, they’re most likely to see it looks good and perfect. But a player will notice a little slow bounce. I can get used to that however I’m afraid if I go to a tournament with bouncy rails I’d be in big disadvantage.
I wonder if there’s instruction video where I can check if the bolts are lose and to see if I can tightening them a tad.
The problem with calling the mechanic who installed is that most of them aren’t players so if they see this, they’re most likely to see it looks good and perfect. But a player will notice a little slow bounce. I can get used to that however I’m afraid if I go to a tournament with bouncy rails I’d be in big disadvantage.
12-15ft/lb torque on rail bolts
that’s
16.27-20.34Nm for you in metric
the low end of the range there should be plenty fwiw
A firmly struck cue ball (hit with a little low to keep it from hopping at rail contact) should go 4 1/2 - 5 table lengths up and down the table. If yours travels less its probably time for cushions.
Just saw your video, that is very slow, my Gold Crown I is going 4 3/4" right now with Artemis cushions and proper sub-rail angles for modern cushions (k55) I am in Wisconsin and we certainly get our fair share of humidity in the summer plus my table is in our basement which is damp.
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I used to play on Simonis 760 a lot before 860 was around, and it was nearly impossible to control the cue ball if you had to make it travel. The only way was to soft roll the shots. You may also have issues with your cushions if 860 is playing slow and the cloth is pulled tightly.