As many know its been preatty wet in the midwest lately. I got to the pool hall today to run my little sat tournament and I found 2 tables that had developed ripples in the felt along the side rail cushions. I figured it was a humidity issue but I also wonder if the tables werent set up right to begin with. They are valley bar tables. They have championship cloth, with 1 year old rails. When they were initially recovered, they all played like pinball machines(they still do for the most part). The rails are either too tight, or the wrong ones. On 2 tables when lagging, the cue ball becomes airborn when it hits one of the bottom rails. I know everybody sings the praised of simonis, but for a bar table, with the heavy cueballs, and amount of play is there a best choice for cloth? Also how do I determine if the rails are either the wrong kind or too tight?
Cloth issues
- Thread starter shag_fu
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rails and cloth
I have seen people that do not cloth the rails all the way around and staple the cloth underneath instead of wrapping the cloth all the way around and glueing on the back side.This is more than likely your rail problem. As far as the felt wrinkles, they did not stretch the cloth properly.Thanx, Ron
www.lccsbilliards.com
I have seen people that do not cloth the rails all the way around and staple the cloth underneath instead of wrapping the cloth all the way around and glueing on the back side.This is more than likely your rail problem. As far as the felt wrinkles, they did not stretch the cloth properly.Thanx, Ron
www.lccsbilliards.com
The cushion height should be between 1.37 and 1.44 inches for 2.25" balls.
If the cueball is one of those oversized bar-box types it may jump because the rails are set for 2.25" balls, and the larger cueball will hit lower relative to it's center than the object balls.
If the cueball is one of those oversized bar-box types it may jump because the rails are set for 2.25" balls, and the larger cueball will hit lower relative to it's center than the object balls.
The cue balls are the aramith magnetic with the green aramith logo so its not an oversize cue ball. I kinda figured they were set up wrong any way. The guys screwed up a few other tables as well. And since I dont own the place, I cant do much about it.Dead Crab said:
LCCS is 100% correct!LCCS said:
Glen
It's easier to understand cushion height when you put it into fractions that can be measured with a square or ruler. So the cushion height needs to be no higher than 1 7/16" and no lower than 1 3/8" of an inch...much easier to understand that way, don't you agree?Dead Crab said:
Glen
cloth problem
Thanx, Glen
I do agree that it is easier to just measure, with a ruler i prefer, but a measuring tape will work.Thanx, Ron
www.lccsbilliards.com
Thanx, Glen
I do agree that it is easier to just measure, with a ruler i prefer, but a measuring tape will work.Thanx, Ron
www.lccsbilliards.com
shag_fu said:
Rails should be tight. You can't get Valley rails "too" tight without stripping t-nuts which would then make them loose. Check the cushion nose height per the specs that were posted in this thread. If too low then balls tend to jump. Check the diameter of the cue which should be 2¼". The acceptable cushion nose height measurement is between 62.5% and 63.5% times the ball diameter.
Tour Edition will hold up longer then Simonis but if the ball sets are crappy you're bound to get a lot of friction marks on either.
Your post implies the tables have been setup for awhile. If the bed cloth has some wrinkles you'll need to pull the rails, lift the slate out on top of the cabinet on 2x4's or pvc then restretch and reglue the loose side. Placing blame doesn't fix the problem. Try to get whoever did the install to come out and fix it - the worst they can say is no.
Of course "you" can't do any of this since you don't own the place so pass the info in this thread to the owner and maybe the tables can get fixed.
If and when billiards technicians demonstrate this kind of work, you don't call them back. If they didn't have the skills to recover the tables right in the first place, they're NOT going to be any better on the return call either!Dartman said:
Glen
Another Problem
I have found on more than one occassion when a tech had allowed a shim or some other piece of material to slip under the edge of the slate on coin op tables which will cause all sorts of problems including balls becoming airborne off the rail.
I have found on more than one occassion when a tech had allowed a shim or some other piece of material to slip under the edge of the slate on coin op tables which will cause all sorts of problems including balls becoming airborne off the rail.