CNC points? Your thought

TheNewSharkster

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Hi,

I have had many discussions on production vs custom cues. I even had a fairly long thread here about it.

One of the points (no pun :grin:) that came up was that the production cues are made with CNC points much of the time. I cannot think of a custom cue that has CNC points.

While sharp points look nicer they seem to lack the consistency of CNC points. Don't get me wrong. At times they are perfect but other times they don't seem to match. Anyways, I was just curious to hear others opions on CNC. I can't imagine they affect play. They still look pretty cool. And if you are Viking you even stick mirrors in them :D
 
CNC machines are nice. I guess it's the old battle between traditional hand-crafted parts vs machine-made parts. I suppose the battle extends to all sorts of human-produced stuff.
 
I prefer the sharp non-CNC points. I prefer them because their exactness is the mark of the craftsman. CNC points have their place on production cues and are fine there. My Mali has CNC points.
 
since you asked;

for my money they are ugly. They are a cheap shortcut, about half a step above the "sticker" cues.

They can hit alright, but then so can a piece of straight maple spray painted orange and airbrushed with a Harley Davidson logo.

After a VERY low price point, you are paying for hand crafting, the maker's name, attention to detail and aesthetics.

I won't pay any more for round nosed inlaid points than I would for a merry widow / plain jane.
 
since you asked;

for my money they are ugly. They are a cheap shortcut, about half a step above the "sticker" cues.

They can hit alright, but then so can a piece of straight maple spray painted orange and airbrushed with a Harley Davidson logo.

After a VERY low price point, you are paying for hand crafting, the maker's name, attention to detail and aesthetics.

I won't pay any more for round nosed inlaid points than I would for a merry widow / plain jane.



Come on. To be fair they are a lot different than a sticker put on the cue. They are real inlays and are always perfect.
 
Hand made points or CNC?

To the cuemaker... Great job on the points, if they all line up and are sharp

To the cuemaker that uses CNC.... my compliments to the programmer and great job changing the tool out on the spindle.
 
that is why alot of custom cue makers are putting the arrow heads at the end of the points, because it is very hard to get them exactly even and all the same sharpness.
 
I prefer 'rea' or sharp spliced points. I'd even go for CNC points if they were hand cut to a point at the end. To me, the round stuff just looks clumsy. There are only a few cuemakers that use CNC points that I consider attractive: Stroud, Cog, Hunter, and Josey. I'm sure there are others, but off the top of my head, those are the cues that come to mind that I consider attractive CNC work.
dave
 
I prefer 'rea' or sharp spliced points. I'd even go for CNC points if they were hand cut to a point at the end. To me, the round stuff just looks clumsy. There are only a few cuemakers that use CNC points that I consider attractive: Stroud, Cog, Hunter, and Josey. I'm sure there are others, but off the top of my head, those are the cues that come to mind that I consider attractive CNC work.
dave

Chudy is one of the top CNC artists IMO...
 
Hand made points or CNC?

To the cuemaker... Great job on the points, if they all line up and are sharp

To the cuemaker that uses CNC.... my compliments to the programmer and great job changing the tool out on the spindle.

I had to laugh, thats what I say about the many veneers added to a cue. To me its ohh you can put colors together...

Just dont get it.

As for the difference in points. CNC is the same everytime, hand cut, you get the little differences in the maker, and that give the cue character. I look at a custom cue as a piece of art, needs that little something...
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but CNC points are nothing more than inlays into a Plain Jane cue. They do nothing for structural integrity.
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but CNC points are nothing more than inlays into a Plain Jane cue. They do nothing for structural integrity.


How is that different than sharp points? Do they go deeper into the wood? I appologize up front for my ignorance on this subject.
 
wait...you do know that a lot of custom cue makers can also make sharp points using CNC technology right? They have a V-Groove cutter thats CNC controlled, the V-Grooves is one method of making sharp points, Full splice is another method.

Edit: CNC Machine used to cut V-Grooves for sharp points:
http://www.briannaproducts.com/vencutters.htm
 
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It seems to me that it should be worded inlayed points. A cnc can use a 90 deg saw just like you would on a manual machine.
Then they are the same. You can also use a cutter to make the pocket and then by hand take the radius out. When the inlay is being made, it can be produced , with care, to have a sharp point.
Stability of the wood is the main part that allows everything to come out as planed.
Unless I have pictured the thread wrong, that is how I see it.
Neil
 
I had to laugh, thats what I say about the many veneers added to a cue. To me its ohh you can put colors together...

Just dont get it.

As for the difference in points. CNC is the same everytime, hand cut, you get the little differences in the maker, and that give the cue character. I look at a custom cue as a piece of art, needs that little something...

Define "Hand cut"?
I don't know any cue makers who hand cut points into the cue. They are precision done with machines dedicated to the purpose. They do repeated perfect work most every time. The biggest difference is structurally. I agree with the late Burton Spain. CNC pockets remove a lot of integrity that can not be added back with pressed and glued in inlays. A splices cue on the other hand is in fact stronger after splicing. The cue is greater then the sum of it's parts.
 
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wait...you do know that a lot of custom cue makers can also make sharp points using CNC technology right? They have a V-Groove cutter thats CNC controlled, the V-Grooves is one method of making sharp points, Full splice is another method.

Edit: CNC Machine used to cut V-Grooves for sharp points:
http://www.briannaproducts.com/vencutters.htm

Correct, it is not the method the work is done. Either can be done by CNC or with a manual machine like an old Gorton. It is the actual construction of the cue that in question. Not how it is accomplished.
 
Good information on spliced cues.


http://www.bearcues.com/fullsplicecue.htm

Half Splice vs. Full Splice

What difference does it make anyway?

True full splice cues were the first pool cues made utilizing two piece construction because it was the only way to join two pieces of wood together without using pegs, dowels or nails. The inferior hide glues of the day demanded a large surface gluing area which the full splice design provided. Little did they know the ultimate playing pool cue had been created. The first notable cue maker understanding the importance of the full splice design was Herman Rambow. When he left Brunswick he continued to use Titlist blanks until Burton Spain began to furnish custom cue makers with his own improved full splice design. George Balabushka was another notable who regularly purchased Spain’s blanks. Because of the strength, stability and balance, it is the ultimate marriage of function and beauty.

In the years that have followed, cue construction has evolved into many forms. Most of these forms have been short cuts but still giving the overall appearance of a full splice cue. Today, short splice cues are the most common cue in the market place. Why? Easier, less time consuming, less expensive, and overall more cost effective.

The difference between a full splice and a half splice cue is simply the way it is constructed and the way in which it plays. The half splice cue is made of four separate pieces of wood (forearm, points, handle and butt sleeve) pinned, doweled and glued together. Conversely, the full splice cue is made of only two pieces of wood joined together, not involving the use of pins, dowels or other hardware, but by truly splicing two woods together with the most modern day high tech adhesives. The clear advantage of the full splice cue is its ability to provide not only far superior strength and clean aesthetic lines, but most importantly the pure fluid feel of the ultimate “working cue”.

In a half splice cue the woods are joined together at the end grain with a threaded rod and it is this flat bearing surface that reduces and alters the natural hit of the cue. The full splice cue has no flat bearing surfaces what so ever. The connecting pin in a short splice cue is generally 3-4” long. The connections in a full splice cue are the four points running 1/3 of the length of the cue, each being 10-11” long providing approximately 80” of uncompromised integrated structural integrity, without a single flat bearing surface. That relates to approximately 80” of feel and sensitivity, which cannot begin to compare to a flat faced 3-4” pin and dowel system.

Perhaps Burton Spain put it best. Not all cues are great “working” cues, but “the greatest “working” cues are made from full-spliced, four-prong blanks”, and “George Balabushka seems to have known this a long time ago.” It would be difficult to find a more credible and qualified team of spokes people for the full splice design than Herman Rambow, Burton Spain and George Balabushka.
 
How is that different than sharp points? Do they go deeper into the wood? I appologize up front for my ignorance on this subject.

Take a look at the link I posted earlier, it shows how sharp points grooves are cut. V-Grooved points are deeper towards the wrap area and it gradually decreases in depth as it heads towards the joint and the sharp point is where they meet the surface.

I cannot think of a custom cue that has CNC points.
Alot of custom cue makers use CNC cutting machines similar to the brianna one I posted
 
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Could somebody explain to me the term "pantograph"??? This an older method of making points??? Sharp points???
 
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