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Last week I was at a bar where the table was a little tight to the wall half of one side. There was a league match going on and the guy shooting had a shot off that rail his captain said there was a shortie cue on the wall and the guy walks over and grabs it. The opposing captain starts yelling about how that's coaching and it's loss of turn and ball in hand. I don't see that as any different than offering the guy a break cue. I kinda see the guys point in that it may have had an impact on shot selection, if not having the shortie he would have looked for a different shot. I looked up their leagues website it said coaching was absolutely not allowed and would result in bih. Coaching as a term was not defined however.
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Maybe depends on the league. In APA, our LO allows us to point out the correct balls (stripes vs. Solids), offer the bridge, break cue, etc., without ---taking a timeout. Maybe letting them know a shorty is available would be similar. Although I would have a problem if the guy was lined up on the OTHER side of the table shooting another ball...
 
I never understood the logic of “no coaching”.

I don’t see how coaching would take away from the game anymore than it would any other sport. Golf would be a good comparison.
 
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All the leagues I have played in (APA BCA) allow players to ask for help, but disallow unask advice.
 
claymont said:
The opposing team cares! They're not playing for funsies.
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Yeah, the minimal prizes is "funsies". Sorry.

And this is bush league no matter how you look at it. If you need to win because you can't hand a guy a cue because you are playing in a shoe box, it might be time to learn what the term "competition" really means. Geez, pool players can be the worst sometimes.

And no high level league would EVER do this. ever. Just some bush league players that can't run 3 balls. I'd like to meet the Masters player that says, "that's a foul". Not. Gonna. Happen. Play the game to win the game, stop looking for a way to win without whining for some edge. Holy bat shit.
 
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Not coaching. There isn't a single League that I can think of that does not allow you to explain the rules to a player. In this case explaining the rule that you are allowed to use a short stick when the location does not provide enough room to play.
 
SJpilot said:
Last week I was at a bar where the table was a little tight to the wall half of one side. There was a league match going on and the guy shooting had a shot off that rail his captain said there was a shortie cue on the wall and the guy walks over and grabs it. The opposing captain starts yelling about how that's coaching and it's loss of turn and ball in hand. I don't see that as any different than offering the guy a break cue. I kinda see the guys point in that it may have had an impact on shot selection, if not having the shortie he would have looked for a different shot. I looked up their leagues website it said coaching was absolutely not allowed and would result in bih. Coaching as a term was not defined however.
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It amazes me the crap some people will pull to win a game/match. It’s likely a reflection of what this person must be like in all aspects of their life.
 
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ChrisinNC said:
It amazes me the crap some people will pull to win a game/match. It’s likely a reflection of what this person must be like in all aspects of their life.
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Yuuuuup. I mean, holy shit. That's the same is asking your teammate if he wants the bridge. He can say yeah or no. Who cares.
 
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What was the result of the call, shot, game and match?
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The hometeam guy told his captain to quit arguing and gave the other guy the bih he wanted. The other guy ran out for the game win. As for the match I didn't see the final score, but the home bar was up like 12 - 5 or something at the time. I believe they go to 20 so they had the match won already when the incident in question happened.

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ChicagoRJ said:
Yeah, the minimal prizes is "funsies". Sorry.

And this is bush league no matter how you look at it. If you need to win because you can't hand a guy a cue because you are playing in a shoe box, it might be time to learn what the term "competition" really means. Geez, pool players can be the worst sometimes.
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In some places/leagues, pool is very competitive and played at fairly high level for amateurs, far from 'bush league' as you put it. Play by the rules in your league, very few problems, if you don't, problems abound. It's as simple or difficult as that. I don't know what league they were playing in and the rules of that league, so I can't say who was correct. In the league I played in, it would at least be called a coach and if they already had a coach during that game, it would be a foul.
 
claymont said:
In some places/leagues, pool is very competitive and played at fairly high level for amateurs, far from 'bush league' as you put it. Play by the rules in your league, very few problems, if you don't, problems abound. It's as simple or difficult as that. I don't know what league they were playing in and the rules of that league, so I can't say who was correct. In the league I played in, it would at least be called a coach and if they already had a coach during that game, it would be a foul.
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Yeah, big whoop. I've played league for 20 years. This is some bs from some cowards to cause trouble over a $20 trophy. Shoot and win the game, have a little respect for your opponent. I'll bet dollars to donuts the nit that called this can't run 3 fuking balls. And it's NOT a coach. He didn't ask a thing about the game, nor did the person. He was only letting him know the house rules allow a shorty cue. Again, this is why folks hate league, because of nitty shit like this and keeps some very good players from not bothering with leagues.
 
SJpilot said:
Last week I was at a bar where the table was a little tight to the wall half of one side. There was a league match going on and the guy shooting had a shot off that rail his captain said there was a shortie cue on the wall and the guy walks over and grabs it. The opposing captain starts yelling about how that's coaching and it's loss of turn and ball in hand. I don't see that as any different than offering the guy a break cue. I kinda see the guys point in that it may have had an impact on shot selection, if not having the shortie he would have looked for a different shot. I looked up their leagues website it said coaching was absolutely not allowed and would result in bih. Coaching as a term was not defined however.
Thoughts?

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The opposing captain can go piss up a wet rope. No time for douche titted cucks.
 
SJpilot said:
Last week I was at a bar where the table was a little tight to the wall half of one side. There was a league match going on and the guy shooting had a shot off that rail his captain said there was a shortie cue on the wall and the guy walks over and grabs it. The opposing captain starts yelling about how that's coaching and it's loss of turn and ball in hand. I don't see that as any different than offering the guy a break cue. I kinda see the guys point in that it may have had an impact on shot selection, if not having the shortie he would have looked for a different shot. I looked up their leagues website it said coaching was absolutely not allowed and would result in bih. Coaching as a term was not defined however.
Thoughts?

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Whoever said that was coaching is an ass IMHO. That cue is there to be used due to the space and is a special setup part of the house rules. It's like telling someone what side the cueball comes out on or saying "table 4 has a better rack and ball set".

The break cue actually I may side with them on, unless the player was actively asking for one to use, same thing with a bridge. If some player is trying to reach a shot and a team-mate tells them "you can get the bridge under the table" that would be coaching, unless they were actually looking for a bridge. Because you are basically telling them how to shoot the shot. The short stick is so you can still shoot as you would normally, it's not changing the shot, it is getting past a physical issue with the layout of the room and wall in the way. A jump cue or bridge would be used even if the table had ample space around it, that is a shot selection to be made.
 
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as those that play in a league for fun quit because of things like this soon then it will just be a bunch of those people if it isnt already.
 
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