Cognoscenti For Sale

It would help if you posted pictures other than what looks like one from a brochure. There are a lot of scammers and it doesn't help that you are new to this forum. Some other points that are not in your favor is all the info you give is also on the photo you posted.

Just wanted to give some my opinion on why this cue is not selling besides the fact that their are other cues that are still looking for a new home.
 
I agree.. a good ol' regular photo of the cue would be helpful. Also what is the highest current offer? And if thats not very high then whats the lowest you're going to part with it for? might help.
 
TheBook said:
It would help if you posted pictures other than what looks like one from a brochure. There are a lot of scammers and it doesn't help that you are new to this forum. Some other points that are not in your favor is all the info you give is also on the photo you posted.

Just wanted to give some my opinion on why this cue is not selling besides the fact that their are other cues that are still looking for a new home.

agreed......to comment on what half fast said, even though Joe used the same basic point shapes many times over, his "LOGO" point in this cue, it was what he did within and around them that made most of the higher end cues individually unique. this is similar to the many different looks and patterns used with traditional pointed cues. you NEVER hear anyone saying "boy that Showman, Szamboti, Tascarella, Herceck, Black, etc...... is awesome BUT they keep using those same spliced points in most of their cues!"..... allot think that because Joe used a limited number of point styles in his work that some how makes the cues "production", short on craftsmanship, or less likely to be unique which, using the above example, and they couldn't be farther from the truth. this cue is no exception and i bet it's a one of one. also to be like every one else on this forum advertising cues for sale, not that i agree all the time but, when counting the inlays why not also include the silver stitches in 3 of rings as well. the silver has to be inlaid into the ring material at some point so why not count it. Joe used three different ring sizes in his cues (different sizes for the collars, above wrap and bellow wrap. the two bellow the wrap would have most likely come from the same stock so you only count one of them) so add 90 inlays to the total....186 total.
 
skins said:
agreed......to comment on what half fast said, even though Joe used the same basic point shapes many times over, his "LOGO" point in this cue, it was what he did within and around them that made most of the higher end cues individually unique. this is similar to the many different looks and patterns used with traditional pointed cues. you NEVER hear anyone saying "boy that Showman, Szamboti, Tascarella, Herceck, Black, etc...... is awesome BUT they keep using those same spliced points in most of their cues!"..... allot think that because Joe used a limited number of point styles in his work that some how makes the cues "production", short on craftsmanship, or less likely to be unique which, using the above example, and they couldn't be farther from the truth. this cue is no exception and i bet it's a one of one. also to be like every one else on this forum advertising cues for sale, not that i agree all the time but, when counting the inlays why not also include the silver stitches in 3 of rings as well. the silver has to be inlaid into the ring material at some point so why not count it. Joe used three different ring sizes in his cues (different sizes for the collars, above wrap and bellow wrap. the two bellow the wrap would have most likely come from the same stock so you only count one of them) so add 90 inlays to the total....186 total.

If I am reading your comment right you are reading "points" as we used in our comments as referring to the points in the cue. We are using the word points instead of facts or reasons.

Such as: Some other reasons (points) that are not in your favor is all the info you give is also on the photo you posted.

It may have been a bad choice of words since it could also refer to the points in the cue.
 
skins said:
agreed......to comment on what half fast said, even though Joe used the same basic point shapes many times over, his "LOGO" point in this cue, it was what he did within and around them that made most of the higher end cues individually unique. this is similar to the many different looks and patterns used with traditional pointed cues. you NEVER hear anyone saying "boy that Showman, Szamboti, Tascarella, Herceck, Black, etc...... is awesome BUT they keep using those same spliced points in most of their cues!"..... allot think that because Joe used a limited number of point styles in his work that some how makes the cues "production", short on craftsmanship, or less likely to be unique which, using the above example, and they couldn't be farther from the truth. this cue is no exception and i bet it's a one of one. also to be like every one else on this forum advertising cues for sale, not that i agree all the time but, when counting the inlays why not also include the silver stitches in 3 of rings as well. the silver has to be inlaid into the ring material at some point so why not count it. Joe used three different ring sizes in his cues (different sizes for the collars, above wrap and bellow wrap. the two bellow the wrap would have most likely come from the same stock so you only count one of them) so add 90 inlays to the total....186 total.

Thanks for getting back to the subject at hand: The Cue.

The forum regulars here obviously have their way of doing things, and that's fine. Being a graphic artist I figured that making a montage of the cue, with its specs, would make it easier for those who are interested to simply take a look and get all the info they needed.

When I get home from work I'll add a few other photos to the thread.

As far as offers go, I've gotten none.
Lots of opinions about my posting skills, Lots of disrespectful comments about Joey Gold's work, Lots of "helpful information" but thats about it. I'll say it again:

For all you cognescenti enthusiasts out there here is something you might be interested in.

The picture says it all...

Brian
 
cubc said:
I agree.. a good ol' regular photo of the cue would be helpful. Also what is the highest current offer? And if thats not very high then whats the lowest you're going to part with it for? might help.

Hey Cubc I see you are from Charlotte. If we can find a reasonable collector to buy this cue, we may be neighbors soon :p
 
Curious where "Lots of disrespectful comments about Joey Gold's work" occurred. I certainly hope my comments were not construed as such.
 
half fast bankr said:
Curious where "Lots of disrespectful comments about Joey Gold's work" occurred. I certainly hope my comments were not construed as such.

No not at all dude, you made it clear what you meant. I
think I just have some lowballers PMing me with BS, trying to get this cue for nothing. I'm a half century old; wasn't born yesterday....
 
half fast bankr said:
Curious where "Lots of disrespectful comments about Joey Gold's work" occurred. I certainly hope my comments were not construed as such.

I assume they have to do with the fact Joey used CNC to make his cues, which is just people displaying their complete ignorance about machinery.

Then again, it could be people complaining about how Joey would not alter his size/weight/balance/taper specs.

...or it could be that Joey just beat them out of a bunch on money playing pool and they're mad.

Cry to Wendell Weir...

Whatever! Awesome looking cue. Good luck with your sale and your move.
 
SphinxnihpS said:
I assume they have to do with the fact Joey used CNC to make his cues, which is just people displaying their complete ignorance about machinery.

Then again, it could be people complaining about how Joey would not alter his size/weight/balance/taper specs.

...or it could be that Joey just beat them out of a bunch on money playing pool and they're mad.

Cry to Wendell Weir...

Whatever! Awesome looking cue. Good luck with your sale and your move.


Thanks, very much.
 
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My attorney got randomly paired with Joey on the golf course to make a foursome, first words out of his mouth... 'wanna play for cheap?'

No joke :)
 
TheBook said:
If I am reading your comment right you are reading "points" as we used in our comments as referring to the points in the cue. We are using the word points instead of facts or reasons.

Such as: Some other reasons (points) that are not in your favor is all the info you give is also on the photo you posted.

It may have been a bad choice of words since it could also refer to the points in the cue.

it had nothing to do with the way "points" was used. in fact i didn't even remember that being in the post(s). :) sorry about that i was just thinking out loud i guess.....;)
 
Watcher7t said:
Being a graphic artist I figured that making a montage of the cue, with its specs, would make it easier for those who are interested to simply take a look and get all the info they needed.

Brian

You do nice work. It fooled me as I thought it was from a brochure. If I would have looked closer I would have seen the blue on the shaft indicating that it was not.

Good luck on your sale and the move.
 
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It was suggested to me to toss this thread and start over. I considered doing so but I have enjoyed learning some new "cue talk" through all this so I am gonna give the thread the benefit of the doubt and move ahead from here. However, if no one here is interested I will take the best suggestion I have been given thus far and use my ebay account to sell. My original intent was to offer this cue first to those of us who know what the word Cognoscenti literally means.
So, Facts:

This Cognoscenti was hand crafted by Joey Gold pre-cnc in 1992. Doing the math this cue is approximately one of his first 150 originals.

This Cognoscenti is a Level 7 plus, due to its floating and skeleton points (12), it's inlays (96 plus the additional 4 ebony rings of 30 stitches each), and most importantly, 18 kt Gold inlays within the ivory points.

Now for the new pictures I promised...
 
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Cog2.jpg


Cog3.jpg
 
TheBook said:
You do nice work. It fooled me as I thought it was from a brochure. If I would have looked closer I would have seen the blue on the shaft indicating that it was not.

Good luck on your sale and the move.

Thanks alot, I appreciate it.
 
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