"Color of Money" question

I think that it is referering to his physical wieght as well. I have it on DVD so maybe tonight ill go home and watch it with the directors commentary. Hopefully it will set it straight. Also for whoever was wondering the writer of 'The Colour Of Money' is Walter Tevis. Who also wrote 'The Hustler' and a bunch of short pool stories. I think Byrne's Book Of Great Pool Stories has a few of Walter Tevis' short stories in it.
 
it's his physical weight...that's the joke,,,that it has nothing to do with the game of pool.

and you "give up" weight,,,you don't "lose " weight.
 
Eddie is losing to Amos because his skills are not up to speed. When you are losing you wonder if you are being hustled. Why ask if your being hustled? Do you expect an honest answer? Amos makes self degrading comments about his basic ability and wonders about his incredible shots - which are hard for anyone. Amos believes that he is hustling and that he is pushing Eddie's hot buttons with his incredible shots/luck - he is sarcastic. This sarcasm can be considered "sharking" and causes Eddie to doubt what is really happening - that's the beauty of sharking. Amos is overweight and to ask for an honest answer about "should I lose weight" is the ultimate sarcasm for the answer is yes. Was Amos sharking? - yes. Did Eddie let himself get hustled? - yes. It doesn't matter if this is about physical weight or giving a spot to level the playing field for those that think that there is a double meaning get more satisfaction from the movie.
 
"Weight"

The actor was Forest Whittaker and the line about losing weight referred to body poundage, obviously, at least to a professional.
 
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Grady said:
The actor was Forest Whittaker and the line about losing weight referred to body poundage, obviously, at least to a professional.
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Enough said... :)
 
I would have to say that it means physical wieght, just to be cocky, i can relate, for i too am very cocky!
 
I'm not sure if I'm amused or not, but I might be, which would lead me to say that it is amusing that there is even a debate over this line. Of course, I would only say that if I were certain that I were amused! :D

Man, I kill me!
 
Wow, what a long thread.
Saying "tell me honestly" is the key to what is fascinating/amusing about the dialogue, for Amos could have said any other sarcastic remark like - do you think I'm lucky? Amos was telling Eddie that he (Eddie) doesn't see the obvious.
Eddie wasn't dumping because there wasn't another match that was relevent to Eddie having lost to Amos - another match with Amos or anyone else. Dumping must be witnessed by other prospective shooters who now think that they know your speed is weak and are willing to hustle you.
 
You know, I always looked at that scene as Amos always knowing who Eddie was and that he was an old hustler. It was Amos's way of letting Eddie know that he too was a hustler. I don't know that the dialogue is really what made me think that, I think it was more the delivery of the dialogue.

Kind of like the waiter at the foreign restaurant saying bad things about the customer all through the meal in a foreign language and the customer saying something at the end of the night in that same foreign language.

Mike
 
Not to beat a dead horse, but I just watched The Color of Money again. I used to think it was physical weight and no double meaning, since, as was pointed out, there are no references handicapping as "giving weight" in the rest of the movie.

But, it turns out that weight is used to describe playing ability in at least one other scene. When Eddie, Vince, and Carmen first head out the following exchange occurs:

Carmen: So who's the heaviest guy?
Eddie: What'd you ask that for, I'm the heaviest guy right Eddie?
...

Anyway, now I'm not so sure about the Amos line anymore.
 
No pro that I ever knew called himself "heavy". The contex left no misunderstanding when Forrest Whittaker used the word.
 
The thing I hate about that scene (or @ least the begining of the scene) is that "Amos" is just shooting the balls in w/out the cue ball. They're trying to hide it by cutting off the top part of the table, but if you watch it close enough (I've seen the movie a good number of times) you can clearly see that "Amos" is just shooting them right into the pocket, so when he "misses" his last shot, "Fast Eddie" can kick @ one of the balls to combo in the nine cross side...

About the scene's controversy, I'm thinking the writer meant physical weight, and some pool players are reading into it too much thinking it could mean some sortof "spot." -- which is good I guess, if it makes you feel good about knowing more about the game & hopefully making the movie more "personal" to pool players.

I've always expected a movie after that, for the same reason someone else mentioned to "I'm BACK!" Wish it would happen. Poolhall junkies was OK in my opinion, but not as good as either The Hustler or The Color of Money. Baltimore Bullet & Kiss Shot are my least favorite.

Anyways, here's my double meaning quote -- "I'm Out."
 
One last opinion: The game is over, Fast Eddie pays off, Amos is putting away his cue, (and remember that Fast Eddie earlier asked if Amos was hustling him), and that thought was in Eddie's mind throughout the match, and now Amos asks him the question. Fast Eddie looks at Amos, most likely waiting for Amos to respond to the hustling question, to come clean between two hustlers, and Amos looks him in the eye and says, "do you think I need to lose some weight?" It was just one more zinger on Amos's part. The finishing touch to a great job of hustling the hustler. Jake
 
Cardinal_Syn said:
ah man.....i think it's time for me to buy the DVD for i haven't watched it yet....
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WHAT!!!!!

How can any respectable pool player (is that an oxymoron??) who posts on this site NOT have watched this movie!!!???

j/k heh...its a pretty good flick - a must have in any Pool Players DVD library.

IMHO

Chuck
 
Fast Eddie's question is "are you hustling me?".
Amos' answer is yes because the question "do you think I need to lose weight?" has only one answer which is yes. Amos could have asked "is a pigs as_ (butt)pork?" and the answer would be yes. Sarcasm always has an element of truth. It now doesn't matter to me if it was physical weight or a spot because the answer "yes" in the form of a question that has only one answer(yes)was the meaning - to me.
 
Chucklez65 said:
WHAT!!!!!

How can any respectable pool player (is that an oxymoron??) who posts on this site NOT have watched this movie!!!???

j/k heh...its a pretty good flick - a must have in any Pool Players DVD library.

IMHO

Chuck
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hehehe....i'll buy it this weekend.....i got Hustler on DVD already....i was thinking of buying C.O.M long time ago but i thought it would suk...i mean what movie can beat Hustler....but regardless i will buy it this weekend.
 
Ka-Ching!!! 777!
LAMas said:
Fast Eddie's question is "are you hustling me?".
Amos' answer is yes because the question "do you think I need to lose weight?" has only one answer which is yes. Amos could have asked "is a pigs as_ (butt)pork?" and the answer would be yes. Sarcasm always has an element of truth. It now doesn't matter to me if it was physical weight or a spot because the answer "yes" in the form of a question that has only one answer(yes)was the meaning - to me.
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definately the handicap...but the reason it comes off so clean is because of his physical weight...it's a hidden jab that let eddie know he was hustled b/c a hustler is expected to know what that question was really about.
 
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