Comments and Questions on the Harriman 280

mullyman said:
Yeah, hitting it high increases your chances of a skid too. As for the high vs low, I feel the cue ball swerves more using low. I could be wrong, but it's my feeling. I've been working on that low outside opening break shot and it's not happening for me. I'm still hitting the end ball to thick. The CB isn't getting to where I want it to go either. I've really been considering going back to my high outside break that I'm used to.........but I have to get this down so I won't.
MULLY

Exactly. You're hitting it too thick because the cue ball is squirting in but not swerving the amount you get when shooting it high.

To find out how much the cue ball squirts when shooting a shot like that, set up an object ball on the spot and the cue ball straight down table at the same distance you wish to test for.

Aim with the low outside english and attempt to replicate the stroke you use for the break shot. When you succeed in hitting the object ball full in the face consistently, you'll know how much compensation you'll need to strike the object ball when breaking the way you want. Of course, this can vary from table to table.

Good luck with it!

Flex
 
mullyman said:
I've been working on that low outside opening break shot and it's not happening for me. I'm still hitting the end ball to thick. MULLY

Is this the shot I suggested a few weeks ago? If so, just pivot from a closer-to-cueball bridge position and the shot will become thinner. I've been using the shot exclusively and it's been working great. I only look at the edge of the object ball to line up initially before the pivot. Then I look at the cueball for the stroke. I just try to feel the speed and go. The aim takes care of itself.
 
bluepepper said:
Is this the shot I suggested a few weeks ago? If so, just pivot from a closer-to-cueball bridge position and the shot will become thinner. I've been using the shot exclusively and it's been working great. I only look at the edge of the object ball to line up initially before the pivot. Then I look at the cueball for the stroke. I just try to feel the speed and go. The aim takes care of itself.


Yeah, that's the one, but I don't pivot. I worked on a few shots the other night using the pivot and wasn't really fond of how it felt. I guess and old dog doesn't pick up new tricks all that well.
MULLY
 
mullyman said:
Yeah, hitting it high increases your chances of a skid too. As for the high vs low, I feel the cue ball swerves more using low. I could be wrong, but it's my feeling. I've been working on that low outside opening break shot and it's not happening for me. I'm still hitting the end ball to thick. The CB isn't getting to where I want it to go either. I've really been considering going back to my high outside break that I'm used to.........but I have to get this down so I won't.
MULLY


I think Bob Jewett has an article that talks about highball and lowball english. From what I took from it, lowball english is less accurate than high ball. High outside, the way you like it, will also throw the OB quite a bit. So, it makes it less accurate.
If it was good enough for Willie Mosconi....I think I read somewhere, that he preferred to set up for a high inside break shot.

I think Danny said that using high inside will allow a thinner hit on the OB which will allow a harder hit into the rack. I agree with that.
Using outside english will allow you to aim a little thinner on the OB, and the fuller you hit the OB, the more the CB will be slowed down.

If you are successful with high outside, then high inside shouldn't be very difficult for you.

I know I said that if the balls are close, using high ball will cause the OB to skid....but....if your break ball is next to the pack, then your CB should be mid-table or about a diamond back from mid-table (head side). If the CB is on the foot side of the table, then you are probably stretching for the shot.

Give the high inside a few tries, I think you'll like it a lot...once you get the hang of it. It drives the CB into the rack, and if you juice it a lot, it may bounce off the pack and go through it....kind of like those breaks you were doing on me...where the CB went forward through the rack.

Using low inside is an interesting shot. When the CB contacts the second OB (pack ball), preferable the top of the pack, the CB will come back at you....like a straight back draw shot. Which can be a good thing. Having the CB in the head half and looking down table at a broken up pack is a beautiful sight. But using low causes more throw on the OB than highball. So, when using low, hit the OB a little thicker.

When adding side, you don't need a lot...a quarter to half tip is plenty.....maybe too much.
 
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okinawa77 said:
If you are successful with high outside, then high inside shouldn't be very difficult for you.

When adding side, you don't need a lot...a quarter to half tip is plenty.....maybe too much.

We're talking about the opening break, Matt.
MULLY
did it seem like I had problems with inside?:thumbup:
 
mullyman said:
We're talking about the opening break, Matt.
MULLY
did it seem like I had problems with inside?:thumbup:

Opening break....I need a smilie with it's foot in it's mouth. :foot-in-mouth:
 
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okinawa77 said:
Opening break....I need a smilie with it's foot in it's mouth.


Haha!! I don't think I've ever seen one like that.

On a side note, I raised my tip up a bit from where I've been hitting it and I got an awesome break tonight. I'll work on that.
MULLY
 
Ron kars said:
The 280 is not the highest recorded run, I have a 293 or 296 by Niels Feijen.

I think that is a 260, isn't it??

Unless he has done another one.
 
Ron kars said:
The 280 is not the highest recorded run, I have a 293 or 296 by Niels Feijen.

When did this happen?

(I'm pretty sure either myself or Dennis would have known about it)

According to Niels, his high run is 259, and the video is posted on his web site.

http://www.nielsfeijen.nl/

Click the link - press start - then click videos - this is the text -

259 straight pool run!!
Here you can see my personal 14.1 record. It is the highest run ever recorded till now in Europe!! The run took place during a team match in The Netherlands in March 2002. It was a race till 125 versus Mario Lannoye from Belgium. I ran 125 and out and then continued Enjoy!


If you have a 290+ run by Niels let me know where I can get the video. The 259 was a work of art -quite possibly one of the best runs I have ever witnessed.
 
I'm not sure that Niels Feijin had a 256, but Nick Van Den Berg has the highest SP run in Europe with 293 :)

I don't know if there's any video of the run or not, but I'll have a look around and see if there are any sites that have the high run video :)

EDIT:- I've had a quick search on google and on a few other sites and I've not been able to find any video of the 293, but what I do know is that Nick had mentioned the high run on his blog about preparing for the EC, but for some reason he lost the long post that he had up there.

If I can, I'll try and get in contact with Nick and see if there is any video of the high run and if so, I'll ask for a copy or if he can upload it to youtube or somewhere :)

Willie
 
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TheWizard said:
I'm not sure that Niels Feijin had a 256, but Nick Van Den Berg has the highest SP run in Europe with 293 :)

I don't know if there's any video of the run or not, but I'll have a loot around and see if there are any sites that have the high run video :)

Willie

I'm not sure if that is the highest run ever in Europe. I'll get with Ralf Souquet to find out where Thomas Engert shot his 492. I am sure that is the record and that Thomas' run was in Europe. I'll let you know later today - but I'm sure that the 492 is the record for high runs in Europe - or anywhere for that matter.
 
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Awesome :), for some reason it doesn't suprise me that Thomas Engert run 492 :)

Now that would be an awesome run to watch :)

Willie
 
TheWizard said:
Awesome :), for some reason it doesn't suprise me that Thomas Engert run 492 :)

Now that would be an awesome run to watch :)

Willie

I'm with you there. He is so smooth at the table.

Can't wait to see him play in NJ.
 
Yes, I agree Dennis. Thomas Engert has such a confident rhythm and smoothness. I felt something similar watching Danny's 280.
 
Blackjack said:
I'm not sure if that is the highest run ever in Europe. I'll get with Ralf Souquet to find out where Thomas Engert shot his 492. I am sure that is the record and that Thomas' run was in Europe. I'll let you know later today - but I'm sure that the 492 is the record for high runs in Europe - or anywhere for that matter.


Didn't Mosconi run 526? Or do we not count that since it wasn't on a 9 footer?
MULLY
curious
 
There are 7 players in Europe that seem to stand out a little bit above from the rest in my mind, when it comes to Straight Pool :)

Thorsten Hohman
Thomas Engert
Ralf Souquet
Oliver Ortman
Niels Feijin
Nick Van Den Berg
Alex Lely
Jasmin Ouschan

These strike me as being the most consitstent and most competitive Straight Pool players in the EU today :)

Willie

P.S. I'm hoping that there will be a few copies of Danny's 280 run available in the UK soon, in fact, perhaps Big Dave @ www.pro9.co.uk may be interested in a few copies to sell in his pro shop :)
 
mullyman said:
Didn't Mosconi run 526? Or do we not count that since it wasn't on a 9 footer?
MULLY
curious

I was wondering that also Mully, but I think that Dave might be thinking of High runs that have been recorded on video, or you may be right that it may be only runs that were made on a 9ft table that we're talking about here :) lol

I could make thing more interesting by talking about the 309 that has been made on an old 10ft table, but I can't remember if it was Irving Crane who made that high rtun on the 10ft'er or if it was another player :), I think Mosconi may have had a 309 on a 10ft'er also, but I'm not sure about that :)

Willie (Would love to see the return of 10ft pool tables)
 
TheWizard said:
I was wondering that also Mully, but I think that Dave might be thinking of High runs that have been recorded on video, or you may be right that it may be only runs that were made on a 9ft table that we're talking about here :) lol

I could make thing more interesting by talking about the 309 that has been made on an old 10ft table, but I can't remember if it was Irving Crane who made that high rtun on the 10ft'er or if it was another player :), I think Mosconi may have had a 309 on a 10ft'er also, but I'm not sure about that :)

Willie (Would love to see the return of 10ft pool tables)

/They are just talking about runs recorded.
 
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