Conceding the Game

[RRfireblade]

So he wasn't concieding but was accepting that you were not going to miss ?

Well than . . . is it wrong that when my opponent is about to shoot and I grab my Cue , walk right up next to him and when he asks , I say well it seemed obvious to me you were going to miss that shot ?

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

Jude, there was a reason I refused to shoot the 9-ball:
The game was over, you just didn't know it!
Glad I entertained you so much that day in Staten Island.

Yes, that was a funny episode and I didn't intend to call you out! It was really one of those moments where sportsmanship takes an interesting twist. Never concede except in this scenario where you always concede!

 

[kaznj]

A similar thing happened to me last week in an APA match. A player on my team was shooting match ball. The opponent started to unscrew his stick. I didn't say anything because my teammate had his back to the opponent. After the match I told everyone that this was considered conceding. This is in the BCA book of rules. Many players in leagues who play one or twice a week do not know any rules. I keep a set of rules with me at all matches. Some people don't like it when I tell them they are breaking a rule. I don't care what they don't like. I want a fair match for everyone.

 

[Bob Jewett]

A similar thing happened to me last week in an APA match. ... This is in the BCA book of rules. ...

You have to be careful in league. The APA does not accept the WPA (and BCA) rules, and has their own set. I think that APA LOs may supplement the printed APA rules with local rules.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

I was playing a league match yesterday and as I circled the table to shoot the game-winning ball, my opponent got up out of his chair and proceeded to the foot of the table. I said, "Are you giving me the game?" He replied "no", honestly not having any clue what I was talking about.

I find these misunderstandings to be more and more common. When I first learned to play pool, it was only about gambling and any motion to rack was a concession since if you didn't concede, you were sharking which was a heavy accusation and could easily escalate into a fight.

As we leave the era of gambling and hustling and further progress into the era of league pool, I was wondering what people would consider a concession of game/match. Do you feel this behavior is tolerated more/less? Should it be tolerated more/less? What do you expect of your opponents in terms of behavior?

My favorite move when that happens is to step off my shot and roll the remaining balls to the end of the table without saying anything. I win the argument 100% of the time. If it escalates from there... ask yourself very seriously, "WTF am I doing in this queer, queer league?"

 

[Andrew Manning]

I think that APA LOs may supplement the printed APA rules with local rules.

They do, and in the DC metro area this is in the "bylaws" as they call them. Movement toward the table when the opponent is on the 8-ball is a concession of game. I've personally never seen it come up in league, although I'm sure it has.

-Andrew

 

[pooligan]

It's a shark tactic -> sometimes used on purpose, but mostly used by novice players unwittingly. In most places, any such tactic (e.g., moving toward the table, grabbing the rack, and pulling balls) is an automatic concession.

The only rule I know of is breaking your cue down = a concession. WPA rules have this implemented (for tourneys at least).Some leagues use this rule as well.

The counter to this is that some rules do not allow concessions in any way. Giving one results in loss of that game PLUS the loss of another game... Two players agreeing to concessions can be DQ'd from the tourney.

But, I have no idea how any of this applies in league play, but I think your unsportsman like conduct comment is spot on.

-td

Texas State Open was played this way. If you conceded the game, it cost you that point plus the next game. I witnessed Gabe Owen get pissed and do just that to Mike Davis.

I like this rule in that it takes any guesswork out of the 'to concede or not concede' thought. I didn't hear any other players complain and I was fine with it.

Maybe Ironman or Stones can put their .02 in on this? Any complaints from the players about this rule?

 

[Jack Madden]

Jude
I think if its league play, you will see more and more of it. When I started playing it was long before leagues, and all movements or conversations were probably sharking tactics. So I guess ifs it is league play you can expect the unexpected and just adjust for it.

 

[trustyrusty]

ok, this is not an 8 ball situation, but there have been a couple of times that I have headed towards the table only to see a ball be pocketed in a hole that it obviously wasn't meant for....APA....only to have to walk away. BTW, I hardly ever sit down while playing and now wonder if some might find this rude? I don't stand anywhere near enough to affect a shot or anything, but I do move if I think I might be in the players line of sight. Would it bother you (any of you) if I were to stand or walk around (the immediate area - not within 8-10 feet of the table) during an entire match?

And about consessions.....don't like them at all. In golf (giving putts) during match play included. I putt out regardless - ticks some people off, but I may NEED to make a 2 footer later in the match, and it's well within the rules to putt out regardless if your opponent says, "it's good, pick it up". So, guy approaches the table as I'm about to pocket the 8; I take it as a shark move, and I'll look at him and pocket it without looking back down probably....