Concluding Thoughts on WPC!

onepocketchump said:
I am neither a techno-geek nor an ueberengineer. I am a small scale student of history however.

As this site adequately points out, www.nethistory.com - there are many who claim to have been the origin of the internet. The truth is that it developed in the minds and labrotories of many individuals and organizations. TCP/IP and HTTP are just the protocols that were adopted widely, not the only ones that ever worked or were ever developed.

One thing is clear though, the American military did not create the internet. And the word internet is equated with the term 'world wide web' so that both are interchangeble in common speech. While they are somewhat different by definition, they are the same in spirit, signifying connectivity and access to information.

John

nethistory.com seems to be very incomplete and does not have any real content as far as I can see. nethistory.info is another story, with a fair bit of interesting content. When reading those pages it is important to ask "who funded ARPAnet". Since the thing has become popular there are a lot of people/organizations that want to take credit, that's for sure. I got a laugh out of the Xerox PARC 'arguement'. Those folks developed some fanstastic technology (like the mouse !), including the ethernet, but I for one would never claim that to be the origin of the Internet.

Dave
 
JAM said:
Thanks, JoeyInCali! :) I have ALWAYS had a problem deciding on which to use, and the topic has come up more than once with my cohorts. Though the word doesn't come up very often when doing World Bank, global think-tank groups, and United Nations transcripts, the word does pop up quite often on pool-related forums! :D

According to Nouns and Adjectives Denoting Nationality in the GPO Manual, they’ve got “Filipino(s),” with one “p.” Another one I’ve always struggled with was Muslim or Moslem and Al-Qaeda with a “d” or Al-Qaeta with a “t.” I usually pick one spelling and stick with it for consistency.

These are the kind of debates I get into around the coffee pot with co-workers. :p

Then I come across this explanation found on a Google search:
Just to clarify symantics:

The islands are called the "Philippine Islands" or "Philippines"

A person from the region is described in English as "Filipino" or "Filipina." The national language is also called "Filipino" in English. Filipino has no "F" sound, as it is based on Tagalog, a dialect native to the Manila (or Maynila) region spoken by the Tagalog people.

So a person from the region is described in Filipino as "Pilipino" or "Pilipina."

Now, if you come to the USA, there are a lot of Filipinos who like to say "Pilipino" because either A) they have an accent, B) sounds better, C) a political statement against Anglicanization. Some consider C silly, as the term is already European in origin. Since there was no catch all term for the Philippines before European colonialism, there isn't a well known indigenous term around, so Pilipino or Filipino it is.

To confuse things further, Pilipinos came to the USA back in the 20s, 30s and such, mainly to work the fields, as the National Origins act had tried up the influx of Japanese laborers, and the Chinese Exclusionary Act did the same to the Chinese immigrants. An aspect of the Tydings-McDuffie act would also limit Pilipino immigration later. But for these immigrants, they were Ilocano, Cebuano, Tagalog, etc. They didn't call each other Pilipino, instead they use the term "Pinoy" or "Pinay" as a catch all for people from the Philippines.

So basically, Pilipino or Filipino... personal preferance. Same thing in my book, but some of my old militant college friends would insist on Pilipino (note: it is NOT Filippino, Fillipino, or even Philippino). So I would say that's safe. On the other hand a Pilipino friend of mine was applying for a job, and put Pilipino instead of Filipino for his ethnicity. The interviewer insisted that he mispelled it, and said it didn't look to good.


So, from now on, it's never a "P-h," always an "F" at the beginning, and only one "l" and one "p." The proper pronunciation, though not used often in U.S., is a no hard "F" sound at the beginning of the word; rather, a hard "P sound.

I'm always looking to increase my word database. Can't wait to lay this one on the gals at the coffee pot during the next word debate! :cool:

JAM


here's a little trivia. we really dont have a nationa language in the strictest sense of the word. there about 80 million of us here, and around 20 or so who speak filipino frequently. here's a common sight, if a cebuano student goes to Ilo-ilo, they wont talk in Filipino, because its awkwards for both of them (for the middle and high end class anyway) so to communicate, they talk in english.
 
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ka ligo said:
here's a little trivia. we really dont have a nationa language in the strictest sense of the word. there about 80 million of us here, and around 20 or so who speak filipino frequently. here's a common sight, if a cebuano student goes to Ilo-ilo, they wont talk in Filipino, because its awkwards for both of them (for the middle and high end class anyway) so to communicate, they talk in english.

That is interesting, the different languages. Here in the U.S., Spanish is considered the most prevalent language behind English. Although when I went to elementary school, they were teaching us French and Latin. Go figure! :p

So, Ka Ligo, WHEN will we be seeing the Filipina players make the trek to the U.S.? According to many lady players from around the world -- Japan, England, Korea -- there seems to be more pool-playing opportunities here for women than elsewhere. :cool:

The U.S. seems to have it backwards, with the women's organization and tour far superior than the men's. Great for the lady players, though. Give us a hint as to WHO is the best Filipina player today. :)

JAM
 
JAM said:
That is interesting, the different languages. Here in the U.S., Spanish is considered the most prevalent language behind English. Although when I went to elementary school, they were teaching us French and Latin. Go figure! :p

So, Ka Ligo, WHEN will we be seeing the Filipina players make the trek to the U.S.? According to many lady players from around the world -- Japan, England, Korea -- there seems to be more pool-playing opportunities here for women than elsewhere. :cool:

The U.S. seems to have it backwards, with the women's organization and tour far superior than the men's. Great for the lady players, though. Give us a hint as to WHO is the best Filipina player today. :)

JAM


im not so sure there are women pros already in here. though in the women's open here in Cebu, there are a lot of good players. it's just that they play pool as a past time, not as a means of living. they hold jobs, afterwards, they beat guys in the pool halls.

i maybe wrong, but there are no women's open in other parts of the philippines, only in cebu. so as to a filipina invasion? it may not happen in quite a while.
 
oops i forgot something, of the 80 million only 20 million or so speak tagalog fluently, not 20 people. hehehe :D :D :D
 
ka ligo said:
oops i forgot something, of the 80 million only 20 million or so speak tagalog fluently, not 20 people. hehehe :D :D :D

I knew what you meant, Ka Ligo. :)

Ka Ligo, is there a ladies structured organization in Philippines? I would think with such a very strong contingency of Filipino pool players that the ladies would be quite topnotch.

Twenty or 30 years ago, the tournament payouts for lady pool pros in the United States were low, much lower than the men's, and it was financially difficult for a lady pro pool player to follow her dreams and excel in the sport.

Today, interestingly, the WPBA, which is the ladies governing body of professional pool in America, has advanced to a level that has surpassed the men's organization, with equal and, in some instances, higher payouts. What little TV coverage there is on the American ESPN, it's the ladies playing pool most times, not the men.

Another little tidbit is that there is a diversity within the WPBA, which is a good thing. Many of the top-ranked WPBA players are of foreign descent, i.e., Karen Corr, Allison Fisher, Ga Young Kim.

JAM
 
We have a billiard and snooker congress, but i am not familiar whether they have a women's program. case in point, for the 23rd southeast asian games, which we will host there will be 12 events for the mens, while only two for women,s 8ball single and 9ball single.

Jeannete Lee has quite a following here, but as to women players here who play at her caliber? im not so sure, i think i saw a few good ones here who played in a tournament whose top purse is P10,000, loose change if converted to dollars.

I do hope to see a Filipina someday in the WPBA, yes i've noticed that they show more women's games than men's games on ESPN, i think we see more billiards games in america than most americans do, ironic huh?
 
DaveK said:
The wide area computer network protocol known by acronym as TCP/IP, was developed by the US DoD. Yes, they developed it to expedite communications between educational institutes, research facilities, defense contractors, and the DoD. From there these technologies began to be managed by academics through the RFC process, but again the original work was the DoD. This eventually became known as 'the Internet' (the "I" in "IP") which is a service built up by many. There is quite an evolution from the beginnings in the 60s. We've had arpanet, aloanet, bitnet and netnorth to build off of, but the various telephone companies, cable operators, and long-haul-fibre outfits have built it to what it is today. The Swiss dude just developed http / html. There were a few 'ml's (Markup Languages, which are ways of describing (marking-up) things) before his, but what an application. What we see today is a lot more than his original hyper-linked text sites. Please don't confuse 'the Internet' with 'the Web'.

Dave, who first saw the 'Web' when it was under 100 sites worldwide.

**sigh** i knew my post would get some sticklers...I agree with DaveK; the US DoD was the major driving force behind the netwok of computers we now know as the internet. they wanted to use it as a back-up system in case of nuclear attack. i didn't want to go into details because then i'd have to kill all of you but in essence, the ARPANet was just used as a disaster recovery measure. They included schools and research institutions so that even if someone bombs, say, MIT, all their research (usually with military applications) would not go to waste. But then, the Xmen, in order to protect their secret identity (which SHIELD was able to get from MAgneto), surreptitiously introduced a computer virus in the pentagon so that all reference to them would be erased. Hope this clears things up a bit.
 
ka ligo said:
...Jeannete Lee has quite a following here, but as to women players here who play at her caliber? im not so sure, i think i saw a few good ones here who played in a tournament whose top purse is P10,000, loose change if converted to dollars...

I think I remember reading about that match with Jeanette Lee. She was playing Efren, I think, and there was quite a bit of publicity. Recently, I read that she has to take a few months off the tournament trail because she is getting a back operation, but she's planning on stepping right back into the thick of it as soon as she mends.

ka ligo said:
...I do hope to see a Filipina someday in the WPBA, yes i've noticed that they show more women's games than men's games on ESPN, i think we see more billiards games in america than most americans do, ironic huh?

It's so sad for American pool enthusiasts. I mean the diehard fans of the sport. :p

Here's a funny tidbit. At last year's U.S. Open, a few of us were standing outside. It was an absolutely gorgeous day, blue skies and white clouds. Francisco Bustamante and I got to talking, and he told me that he was shopping for clothes, looking for some nice polo shirts. He said in the Philippines, good polo shirts, like Ralph Lauren as an example, were kind of expensive back home. He went to an outlet store nearby the U.S. Open venue site and got a whole bunch of nice Ralph Lauren polo shirts for very cheap. He said when he looked inside the label of the shirts, they all said "Made in the Philippines." :D

Picture of Francisco Bustamante and Alex Pagulayan hanging out in front of the Chesapeake Conference Center at the 2004 U.S. Open.

JAM
 

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JAM said:
That is interesting, the different languages. Here in the U.S., Spanish is considered the most prevalent language behind English. Although when I went to elementary school, they were teaching us French and Latin. Go figure! :p

So, Ka Ligo, WHEN will we be seeing the Filipina players make the trek to the U.S.? According to many lady players from around the world -- Japan, England, Korea -- there seems to be more pool-playing opportunities here for women than elsewhere. :cool:

The U.S. seems to have it backwards, with the women's organization and tour far superior than the men's. Great for the lady players, though. Give us a hint as to WHO is the best Filipina player today. :)

JAM

I know one good Filipina player in the name of Rubileen Amit, if i am not mistaken she won the last San Miguel tour last 2002(03?) in Singapore wherein Efren also won that tournament. But the level of play i think is not that quiet impressive yet compare to the American (and non-american) women pool players i saw on Cable particularly on ESPN IMO. But i think given the right exposure and if someone will sponsor some of our women player here, i think that would really up the notch so to speak on the level of play on some of them. Or maybe invite some American women player (like Sarah Rousey for example ;) ) to play here, that would really be great but again the reality of having money comes it, notwitstanding women pool player does not generate much interest here compare to men.

Here are some of the names of our women professional pool player mention
in passing on this article.
http://www.mb.com.ph/SPRT2005062437722.html
 
CebuanoNiNoy said:
I know one good Filipina player in the name of Rubileen Amit, if i am not mistaken she won the last San Miguel tour last 2002(03?) in Singapore wherein Efren also won that tournament....
Rubileen, what a pretty name. We'll call her "Ruby" for short! :)

CebuanoNiNoy said:
...But the level of play i think is not that quiet impressive yet compare to the American (and non-american) women pool players i saw on Cable particularly on ESPN IMO....
Well, CebuanoNiNoy, you have just made a lot of lady WPBA fans very happy. The ladies take quite a bit of heat on the pool-related forums at times about a variety of topics, as I'm sure you've read, i.e., big buckets, missed shots, repetition of ESPN broadcasts, et cetera. :(

CebuanoNiNoy said:
...But i think given the right exposure and if someone will sponsor some of our women player here, i think that would really up the notch so to speak on the level of play on some of them. Or maybe invite some American women player (like Sarah Rousey for example ;) ) to play here, that would really be great but again the reality of having money comes it, notwitstanding women pool player does not generate much interest here compare to men...

That sounds very much like the way women's pool was here in the States several decades ago, and look at them now! They dominate the American media, what little pool coverage there is. :)

CebuanoNiNoy said:
...Here are some of the names of our women professional pool player mention in passing on this article.
http://www.mb.com.ph/SPRT2005062437722.html

That is another very interesting read. Thanks for sharing that link! :)

JAM
 
JAM said:
Rubileen, what a pretty name. We'll call her "Ruby" for short! :)


Well, CebuanoNiNoy, you have just made a lot of lady WPBA fans very happy. The ladies take quite a bit of heat on the pool-related forums at times about a variety of topics, as I'm sure you've read, i.e., big buckets, missed shots, repetition of ESPN broadcasts, et cetera. :(



That sounds very much like the way women's pool was here in the States several decades ago, and look at them now! They dominate the American media, what little pool coverage there is. :)



That is another very interesting read. Thanks for sharing that link! :)

JAM

By the way here are some pictures of some women pool players here in
the Phils. It was way back 2004 Motolite Int'l Philippine Open.
And those two beautiful filipina professional pool players is not
"Ruby" by the way. ;)

http://cebuanoninoy.blogs.friendster.com/photos/pool/9ball023big.html
 
JAM said:
Here's a funny tidbit. At last year's U.S. Open, a few of us were standing outside. It was an absolutely gorgeous day, blue skies and white clouds. Francisco Bustamante and I got to talking, and he told me that he was shopping for clothes, looking for some nice polo shirts. He said in the Philippines, good polo shirts, like Ralph Lauren as an example, were kind of expensive back home. He went to an outlet store nearby the U.S. Open venue site and got a whole bunch of nice Ralph Lauren polo shirts for very cheap. He said when he looked inside the label of the shirts, they all said "Made in the Philippines." :D
JAM

hi jam, i think this is not always the case. i'm not sure but heard that there are regular mark down sale there especially during shifts in season. did django buy the shirts on sale? anyway i heard guess and ck here are cheaper. i don't know where us gets its ralph lauren, guess, ck, etc., but for garments i think as a rule of thumb, it's cheaper when it's from the east because of cheaper labor. i have a trivia for you. if ralph lauren is made in the phils, it's quite likely, it will not be sold here; it's really meant for external market. most cks here are tagged as made in hongkong. for some reason, pinoys are fond of imported. while most people are ethnocentric, most filipinos are the opposite. but this statement cannot be substantiated by reading the posts in wpc forum from pinoys. the success of their players is one of the things that made them (us) soooooooooo proud.

going back to the topic, i think that except for the power failures,this year's wpc is better than last year. i wasn't able to watch a lot but here are some of my observations.

like in cardiff, this time they showed the other matches about to conclude.
more players (and more relatively unknown) on tv table giving opportunity to fans from the east to know about basavich, owen, hybler, etc.
more commentators so there was less of nick halling; sorry but last year, he made me drowsy.
i like the short pregame interview by georgina.


i missed pat holtz. it's nice to flaunt a little one's culture. i also missed sid wadell. he's not very knowledgeable of the sport but i like his figurative lingo and his enthusiasm. i miss cardiff but i will be very glad if it'll be in taiwan again next year. we have the same time zone so it's easy to follow the games.
 
Yeah JAM it's kinda crazy especially when Filipinos love imported clothes and next thing you know you buy in the US and it says made in the Philippines and also shoes they think Nike shoes are made in USA then next thing you it's made in China or Vietnam. But LACOSTE is the brand in clothes that we like to wear and any brand clothes on sale, we are definitely there. You know Filipinos love American culture, a lot of them especially to those who can afford it will copy the fashion on whatever they see in American movies and TV shows. Also I think because Phillipines was once a US territory so Americans have a lot of influence.
We are definitely proud of our pool players, you know a lot them of them came from poor background and to be able to see comes through and be one of the top players in the world is just amazing.
 
sliqueshot said:
Yeah JAM it's kinda crazy especially when Filipinos love imported clothes and next thing you know you buy in the US and it says made in the Philippines and also shoes they think Nike shoes are made in USA then next thing you it's made in China or Vietnam. But LACOSTE is the brand in clothes that we like to wear and any brand clothes on sale, we are definitely there...

You know, LACOSTE and POLO are two brands that I see quite a few of the Filipino players wearing. Jose Parica himself must have a kazillion Ralph Lauren shirts.

Being over 50 now, I don't keep up with fashion much. I just go for what's comfortable. :p

Most of the young Americans I see today seem to like Tommy Hilfiger and Nautica. However, I have noticed that some young gun pool players out West, like Tony "T-Rex" Chohan, Amar Kang, Scott Frost, just to name a few, go for the color-coordinated sports clothing, with a matching baseball cap, shoes, pants, shirt, and socks.

Then in the East, especially up in NYC, you've got players like Tony Robles, Frankie Hernandez, Ginky, and Spanish Pete, each with their own sense of style, but looking as if they belong on the cover of GQ magazine -- manicured, polished, and tailored! :D

sliqueshot said:
You know Filipinos love American culture, a lot of them especially to those who can afford it will copy the fashion on whatever they see in American movies and TV shows. Also I think because Phillipines was once a US territory so Americans have a lot of influence. We are definitely proud of our pool players, you know a lot them of them came from poor background and to be able to see comes through and be one of the top players in the world is just amazing.

And the American pool fans do love the Filipino pool players too, especially the incredible Efren Reyes. If there was a saint in pool, it would be St. Efren! :)

JAM
 
Here are two pictures of two beautiful Filipino professional players.
Honestly i dont have their names, but sooner ill provide them if i have
the info on them.
;)

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