Confirmation wanted / help ID'ing a couple cues.

[buzzmc]

I have two cues w/o marks that were sold to me as Joss's prior to the split way back when.... I'm curious if people agree, disagree, and if so why. I suspect there's were both made around 1970ish, and they appear to be "brothers" or sorts, at least with the colors of the veneers.

I have more pics if anyone can help and wants more, or I can take specific detailed pics and post them here as well.

 

[buzzmc]

One is clearly a 3/8" pin, the other is the only cue I have with a 5/15" fine thread joint... And both have 3 shafts as pictured.

 

[Donny Lutz]

Joss

One is clearly a 3/8" pin, the other is the only cue I have with a 5/15" fine thread joint... And both have 3 shafts as pictured.

My guess is they were made very early...'68 or '69, as they began using the JOSS logo soon after they began making cues.

Send these pics to Danny and he can likely tell you more.

Are either for sale?

 

[maha]

definitely two nice joss cues, no question about it. standard designs made back then.

 

[pdcue]

My guess is they were made very early...'68 or '69, as they began using the JOSS logo soon after they began making cues.

Send these pics to Danny and he can likely tell you more.

Are either for sale?

I could be wrong - but didn't logos only come after the split to JOSS
and JOSSWEST?

I definitely remember that in the 60s, east of California, only cue companies had any kind of ID on their cues.

Dale

 

[woodyosborne]

they are joss, pre split.

look CAREFULLY on the butt cap, just below the wrap for the joss block letters. very easy to miss. very easy if you don't know they are there. I have a similar ivory joint cue with plain butt sleeve.

 

[buzzmc]

Both are for sale or trade. More interested in trades truth be told.

Chances are I'll post several cues over in the FS/Trade forum to see what sorts of trades I might get.

 

[pt109]

My guess is they were made very early...'68 or '69, as they began using the JOSS logo soon after they began making cues.

Send these pics to Danny and he can likely tell you more.

Are either for sale?

My '68 Joss has the name in big letters on the butt-cap.

The second Joss in the OP's pics is an 18 threader.
I had a '71 that looks just like it...and 3 shafts also....
...traded it even up for a six-point Black Boar.

 

[Donny Lutz]

Joss logo

My '68 Joss has the name in big letters on the butt-cap.

The second Joss in the OP's pics is an 18 threader.
I had a '71 that looks just like it...and 3 shafts also....
...traded it even up for a six-point Black Boar.

According to the Blue Book, they began making cues in '68.

"Although the first cue they made ended up in the trash, they sold the second one at a profit. Soon they were hand engraving the word 'Joss' on the Delrin butt caps of the cues."

There's a pic of the original logo in the Blue Book...slanted block letters used till '72, when the letters were not slanted until their second logo change in the '80s.

Danny and Bill Stroud went their separate ways in '72.

 

[cueman]

The small pin looks like 5/16-18 and the large one looks like 3/8-10.
Neither of those were used by Joss when they were together as far as I know. It was a good while after their split before I saw any JW's coming out with 3/8-10.