Contact ESPN and say "Thanks" for showing a pool match

ESPN likes pool just as much as hockey, almost as much as football and slightly over baseball.....they just don't have any pool representatives talking to them, so this thread is a very positive thing......next we send in the "girls".

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You obviously have sufferd some head damage in your martial arts training
Every sport you mentioned incuding about 5 others dwarfs pool in viewership and sponsership ,,



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ESPN is made up of people like any other business. TV people like pool more than other sports on a personal level, but that's not the key. It's like the bar owner that likes an "off brand" liquor, but pushes the "Crown" and "Jack" because it's what is selling the most.....until that "off brand" starts advertising, promoting and sending in the same "hot liquor reps" that "Crown" and "Jack" use.

There's no great mystery how this works, I operated a private club with 630,000 members, we got to see a LOT of beautiful liquor, beer and wine reps on a daily basis....not to mention the RED BULL girls.....they would give you "wings". ;)
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Is that a trick answer or something?
So what you are saying is ,they are like us, they like pool but recognize it has such a small market it is not worth putting any money into. Thats what I was saying. They are business people and know a loser when they see it.
 
It's no great mystery why pool isn't on TV/ESPN - it's not "the Game"

Is that a trick answer or something?
So what you are saying is ,they are like us, they like pool but recognize it has such a small market it is not worth putting any money into. Thats what I was saying. They are business people and know a loser when they see it.

Not at all, I'm saying that they don't have "pool reps" showcasing our product. It's like a bar owner that only stocks the products that they are aware of. Even if the bar owner loves a certain brand he won't stock it in the bar unless he sees ads for the product, is ask for the product or has Reps coming in and demonstrating the product.

It's no great mystery why pool isn't on TV/ESPN, and it doesn't have anything to do with the Game not being popular.....pool is very popular, it's just "out of sight, out of mind" right now......very simple, very easy to understand.

'The Game is {trying to be} the Teacher'
 
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Not at all, I'm saying that they don't have "pool reps" showcasing our product. It's like a bar owner that only stocks the products that they are aware of. Even if the bar owner loves a certain brand he won't stock it in the bar unless he sees ads for the product, is ask for the product or has Reps coming in and demonstrating the product.

It's no great mystery why pool isn't on TV/ESPN, and it doesn't have anything to do with the Game not being popular.....pool is very popular, it's just "out of sight, out of mind" right now......very simple, very easy to understand.

'The Game is {trying to be} the Teacher'
So it is a catch-22. For pool to get on TV it has to be more popular and to be more popular it has to be on TV. That means someone would have to step up and take a gamble of some kind. I am sorry but business people don't do that. They are more likely to follow that crowd. If something takes off they will jump on the band wagon. You see this in all TV programing, they all copy but few are original.

Much of this reality TV started with American Chopper. I saw an interview with them and they said when they did the pilot it was horrible because they were themselves.. They thought they had blown the whole thing. Who knew all that arguing and throwing stuff would be the hook that made the show popular. Others followed with their own type of thing once they saw it worked.

Back to pool, no one is really going to bite the bullet and make the kind of investment it would take to even give it a chance and test the market. They like something that is proven. Unfortunately pool has proven the opposite. It has proven to be a small niche market with a very small sub-cultural following that itself has proven to not be reliable or loyal.

If pool didn't even get a foot hold after the hugh boost it got from the COM and the decade that followed with a zillion rooms opening, it is clear the market is just not there. It burned out almost a fast as it went up. If all that didn't produce any kind of long term effect then the demand just is not there and if you think the powers that be don't know all this you have your head in the sand. A lot of wishful thinking I an afraid.
 
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ESPN Reply

I got a reply from ESPN thanking me for my feedback and that they would get the information to the appropriate people.

I was please with the response
 
Bowling was huge

So it is a catch-22. For pool to get on TV it has to be more popular and to be more popular it has to be on TV. That means someone would have to step up and take a gamble of some kind. I am sorry but business people don't do that. They are more likely to follow that crowd. If something takes off they will jump on the band wagon. You see this in all TV programing, they all copy but few are original.

Much of this reality TV started with American Chopper. I saw an interview with them and they said when they did the pilot it was horrible because they were themselves.. They thought they had blown the whole thing. Who knew all that arguing and throwing stuff would be the hook that made the show popular. Others followed with their own type of thing once they saw it worked.

Back to pool, no one is really going to bite the bullet and make the kind of investment it would take to even give it a chance and test the market. They like something that is proven. Unfortunately pool has proven the opposite. It has proven to be a small niche market with a very small sub-cultural following that itself has proven to not be reliable or loyal.

If pool didn't even get a foot hold after the hugh boost it got from the COM and the decade that followed with a zillion rooms opening, it is clear the market is just not there. It burned out almost a fast as it went up. If all that didn't produce any kind of long term effect then the demand just is not there and if you think the powers that be don't know all this you have your head in the sand. A lot of wishful thinking I an afraid.

Bowling became huge in the 1950s because it was a "people's" sport (like pool, people actually played it), it was on TV EVERY WEEK, and league and tournament results were published in NEWSPAPERS. Rather a simple formula for success.

The sport was promoted by Brunswick, AMF, Manhattan Rubber and the main bowling shoe manufacturer (forgot the name...Dexter?).

There were professional teams sponsored by Hamm's, Budweiser and other companies\ that traveled around doing exhibitions. There was trick shot artist Andy Varipapa, who would appear for pennies out of love for the game. There was the American Bowling Congress and the American Junior Bowling Congress, which certified instructors (I was one) and promoted high school and Boys and Girls Club leagues.

An annual amateur bowling tournament in Chicago, the Peterson Classic, was huge, and you didn't have to commit to multiple league seasons to qualify for a chance to qualify. There were pro-am tournaments along with the pro events (I had Dick Weber for a partner in Milwaukee in 1967).

Those who promoted the game put the sport first and profits followed. Seems like today, profit comes first and I can't tell you how many times I've heard people in the pool business say stuff like, "We want drinkers, not players" or "This is not a billiard center with a bar, it's a bar with pool tables"...as if catering to players and maintaining a clean, well run business will somehow chase the "drinkers" away.
 
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Bowling became huge in the 1950s because it was a "people's" sport (like pool, people actually played it), it was on TV EVERY WEEK, and league and tournament results were published in NEWSPAPERS. Rather a simple formula for success.

The sport was promoted by Brunswick, AMF, Manhattan Rubber and the main bowling shoe manufacturer (forgot the name...Dexter?).

There were professional teams sponsored by Hamm's, Budweiser and other companies\ that traveled around doing exhibitions. There was trick shot artist Andy Varipapa, who would appear for pennies out of love for the game. There was the American Bowling Congress and the American Junior Bowling Congress, which certified instructors (I was one) and promoted high school and Boys and Girls Club leagues.

An annual amateur bowling tournament in Chicago, the Peterson Classic, was huge, and you didn't have to commit to multiple league seasons to qualify for a chance to qualify. There were pro-am tournaments along with the pro events (I had Dick Weber for a partner in Milwaukee in 1967).

Those who promoted the game put the sport first and profits followed. Seems like today, profit comes first and I can't tell you how many times I've heard people in the pool business say stuff like, "We want drinkers, not players" or "This is not a billiard center with a bar, it's a bar with pool tables"...as if catering to players and maintaining a clean, well run business will somehow chase the "drinkers" away.

Unfortunately Pool has never turned into the family sport Bowling is ,, you can still go into bowling ally's on wends and see families and plenty of kids running around just good old family fun ,, for that reason Brunswick who pretty much bailed on pool and others sponsors see Bowling as a good investment
I my area MD VA DC. there is only one place that I know of that caters to family and kids and that's Big Daddy's in glen burnie there's a couple more that are kid friendly but that's it until that changes pool is going to stay behind bowling never mind what some pipe dreamers believe that it should a prime sport
Fox had 53 mil peak viewers Sundays GB SF I doubt pool has had that combined the last 30 yrs


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Is it wrong if I have a work email and a personal email address to send two comments? Believe me my boss won't mind. I shoot pool with him more than anyone else I know. Actually met him in a pool hall he worked at about 20 years ago.
 
ESPN is made up of people like any other business. TV people like pool more than other sports on a personal level, but that's not the key. It's like the bar owner that likes an "off brand" liquor, but pushes the "Crown" and "Jack" because it's what is selling the most.....until that "off brand" starts advertising, promoting and sending in the same "hot liquor reps" that "Crown" and "Jack" use.

There's no great mystery how this works, I operated a private club with 630,000 members, we got to see a LOT of beautiful liquor, beer and wine reps on a daily basis....not to mention the RED BULL girls.....they would give you "wings". ;)
red_bull_girls_1_1366624950.jpg

Nice Girls :grin:
 
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