JoeyA said:
Your welcome. Sorry we were unable to call, received your # after he left. We will both be at the Joss Tour Event this weekend if your there and want to ask him some quetions if person.
Corey Deuel's X Breaker
- Thread starter Al-fahl Amir
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Your welcome. Sorry we were unable to call, received your # after he left. We will both be at the Joss Tour Event this weekend if your there and want to ask him some quetions if person.
Nostroke said:
That is exactly what they did with as many players as they could. There is nothing he or the others players can do about what happened at the tournament, but he can sure make them get his name and image off their web site and stop implying he indorses the cue or come up with some money. He is a fool if he doesn't.
macguy said:
Even the most successful professional pool players are grossly underpaid in comparison to other sports and tournaments. A world class player like Corey Deuel is never going to make his millions from pool, nor do I see Nike lining up to offer a big endorsement deal. One of the FEW small perks a professional player might get is free equipment such as cues, cases, etc. So Corey gets a _three hundred dollars retail_ cue, uses it for awhile, then sells it... and you write this long screed about how he has sold out his integrity and should be embarassed?
Who's your beef with anyway? On the one hand you roast Corey over selling a break cue. Then you roast the company that gave him the cue first for fraud, and for embarassment of a short lived endorsement. From your view, everyone is an idiot, everyone is to blame.
In my view, your complaint has absolutely no merit whatsoever and you seem to like making a lot of assumption on other peoples behalf. The only one who should be embarassed is you.
shinobi said:
Yes, someone who sell their name and the future use of their name and image for a $300. cue as appears to may have happened is an idiot. Actually though, I don't really think that is what happened. They are just trying to take advantage of him and the other players who's hands they stuck cues in and snapped pictures of. But if he doesn't do something about it he is an idiot.
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Originally, I was not going to discuss this in a public forum out of respect of Corey's privacy.
Since there have been a lot of false accusations being passed around here based on false information and unfounded assumptions, I have decided to state the FACTS to set the record straight.
Let me make this clear, I have never handed a X Breaker to Corey for free. I was in Taiwan showcasing and selling our X Breaker during the World Pool Championship. And a dear friend and professional player, Jennifer Chen, was there, who introduced Corey to me.
I did not know Corey until after Jennifer had introduced him to me. Jennifer asked Corey to try the cue because she wanted to hear his feedbacks. I was not there when they were trying out the cue so I cannot really tell you what happened. Jennifer then decided to pay for a X Breaker and give it to Corey and she told me to go and take a picture of Corey breaking with the cue on the practise table. Jennifer told me she has asked Corey and Corey said he would like to use the cue, therefore, she has decided to buy one for Corey as a gift, and as a courtesy to help me out.
The X Breaker retails for $350 plus shipping, not $300.
Jennifer Chen was there during the whole time from the minute Corey tried the cue, until he left with the cue. I had to stay at my booth so I did not go and talk to Corey. Jennifer told me that the condition she explained to him was that he would have to use the cue and let me take a picture of him and post it on the site(www.xtremebilliard.com), that is why I had a picture of Corey breaking with his X Breaker during the first day of the tournament on the practise table; in return, Corey can have the cue and use it in the tournament. And the cue was paid for by Jennifer Chen.
I was selling the cues to professional and amateur players during the tournament. I let them try the cues, and they bought them. My cues were gone in two days. Thorsten Hofmann was the last one who purchased a X Breaker from me. Daryl Peach was there after Thorsten Hofmann but he could not get one because it was sold out. Andreas was the guy before Thorsten in line. These are the facts and can be easily verified.
Jennifer really liked the cue and she really wanted her friends to try the cues and tell her they like them, that is the way Jennifer is. I really appreciate her help. I am also very happy that she used the cue and received a Silver Medal in the World Game and then came third in the WPBA Peoria tournament right after that. Jennifer has bought a few cues from me.
Who will use a terrible jump break cue(which is built for perhaps the most important shot in 9 ball) in the most important tournament in one's career, especially if he already has a cue sponsor and has his own break cue?
I will let you draw your own conclusion about why Corey used the X Breaker in the WPC, in which he finished in the last sixteen.
Since it was a gift bought for Corey by Jennifer, it would not be right for me to ask Corey to give it back to me anyway. Please stop attacking Corey for trying to sell it. The cue was paid for and belong to him.
I do not want to guess or make any assumption here. I just want to state the FACTS. Therefore, I am not going to discuss how me or Jennifer Chen personally feel about how this situation has been handled. I also do not wish to discuss my personal opinion about this issue. I am just here to submit the FACTS based on my first hand experience about what I saw and heard.
We do not want to use anyone's picture if he/she is unhappy about it. We have a solid product which has been very well received.
Although from my understanding Corey did have an agreement with Jennifer to allow us to post his picture on the site www.xtremebilliard.com, his name and his pictures has been removed on the web site out of respect for his sponsor(s).
What the pictures shown on the web site was suggesting that the players tried the X Breaker, decided to buy/use them, and gave us permission to post their pictures on the web site. Please do not make any uneducated assumptions and insult the integrity of Xtreme Billiard Concept before getting the facts right.
I hope I have set the record straight. Please stop attacking Corey and/or Xtreme Billiard Concepts based on unfounded assumption or false information.
Aaron, thanks for saying that the X Breaker is very nice and breaks well. I hope Corey will do well in the US Open and the Joss tour. I am sure the buyer will be very pleased with how the X Breaker performs. I saw his woodpecker cue and it was a beauty. Best wishes to the sales.
Lastly, thank you for all the posters here who have been so kind to speak up for the company and me. I really appreciate the kind words.
Thank you.
Richard
Since there have been a lot of false accusations being passed around here based on false information and unfounded assumptions, I have decided to state the FACTS to set the record straight.
Let me make this clear, I have never handed a X Breaker to Corey for free. I was in Taiwan showcasing and selling our X Breaker during the World Pool Championship. And a dear friend and professional player, Jennifer Chen, was there, who introduced Corey to me.
I did not know Corey until after Jennifer had introduced him to me. Jennifer asked Corey to try the cue because she wanted to hear his feedbacks. I was not there when they were trying out the cue so I cannot really tell you what happened. Jennifer then decided to pay for a X Breaker and give it to Corey and she told me to go and take a picture of Corey breaking with the cue on the practise table. Jennifer told me she has asked Corey and Corey said he would like to use the cue, therefore, she has decided to buy one for Corey as a gift, and as a courtesy to help me out.
The X Breaker retails for $350 plus shipping, not $300.
Jennifer Chen was there during the whole time from the minute Corey tried the cue, until he left with the cue. I had to stay at my booth so I did not go and talk to Corey. Jennifer told me that the condition she explained to him was that he would have to use the cue and let me take a picture of him and post it on the site(www.xtremebilliard.com), that is why I had a picture of Corey breaking with his X Breaker during the first day of the tournament on the practise table; in return, Corey can have the cue and use it in the tournament. And the cue was paid for by Jennifer Chen.
I was selling the cues to professional and amateur players during the tournament. I let them try the cues, and they bought them. My cues were gone in two days. Thorsten Hofmann was the last one who purchased a X Breaker from me. Daryl Peach was there after Thorsten Hofmann but he could not get one because it was sold out. Andreas was the guy before Thorsten in line. These are the facts and can be easily verified.
Jennifer really liked the cue and she really wanted her friends to try the cues and tell her they like them, that is the way Jennifer is. I really appreciate her help. I am also very happy that she used the cue and received a Silver Medal in the World Game and then came third in the WPBA Peoria tournament right after that. Jennifer has bought a few cues from me.
Who will use a terrible jump break cue(which is built for perhaps the most important shot in 9 ball) in the most important tournament in one's career, especially if he already has a cue sponsor and has his own break cue?
I will let you draw your own conclusion about why Corey used the X Breaker in the WPC, in which he finished in the last sixteen.
Since it was a gift bought for Corey by Jennifer, it would not be right for me to ask Corey to give it back to me anyway. Please stop attacking Corey for trying to sell it. The cue was paid for and belong to him.
I do not want to guess or make any assumption here. I just want to state the FACTS. Therefore, I am not going to discuss how me or Jennifer Chen personally feel about how this situation has been handled. I also do not wish to discuss my personal opinion about this issue. I am just here to submit the FACTS based on my first hand experience about what I saw and heard.
We do not want to use anyone's picture if he/she is unhappy about it. We have a solid product which has been very well received.
Although from my understanding Corey did have an agreement with Jennifer to allow us to post his picture on the site www.xtremebilliard.com, his name and his pictures has been removed on the web site out of respect for his sponsor(s).
What the pictures shown on the web site was suggesting that the players tried the X Breaker, decided to buy/use them, and gave us permission to post their pictures on the web site. Please do not make any uneducated assumptions and insult the integrity of Xtreme Billiard Concept before getting the facts right.
I hope I have set the record straight. Please stop attacking Corey and/or Xtreme Billiard Concepts based on unfounded assumption or false information.
Aaron, thanks for saying that the X Breaker is very nice and breaks well. I hope Corey will do well in the US Open and the Joss tour. I am sure the buyer will be very pleased with how the X Breaker performs. I saw his woodpecker cue and it was a beauty. Best wishes to the sales.
Lastly, thank you for all the posters here who have been so kind to speak up for the company and me. I really appreciate the kind words.
Thank you.
Richard
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Oh Stop it
First the facts:
Yes I know Richard
No I don't play with his product
My buddy Doug Foster makes my cues and I would rather get a sex change befor I sold one of them.
Can't the man advertise his product? Is it not possible that his cue is good? For those who think he is distorting the truth...ask McDonalds. Do they tell you that their burgers are not very good for you...or do they say, "I'm loving it"?
I don't see any of the pro's listed on his site crying about use of their image.
Nick
First the facts:
Yes I know Richard
No I don't play with his product
My buddy Doug Foster makes my cues and I would rather get a sex change befor I sold one of them.
Can't the man advertise his product? Is it not possible that his cue is good? For those who think he is distorting the truth...ask McDonalds. Do they tell you that their burgers are not very good for you...or do they say, "I'm loving it"?
I don't see any of the pro's listed on his site crying about use of their image.
Nick
Nick B said:
Nick:
Thank you for you kind words.
Thank you also for showing me your new Foster cue. It was very beautiful.
I have learned a lot about cues from speaking to Doug. He has a true passion for cues and he really takes a lot of pride in his works. It is amazing how he could build all those wonderful cues all by himself with the limited resources he has.
Actually, there is only one poster who is having a misunderstanding on the issue with Corey here. I am very grateful for all of you who have come forth and vouch for me. I really did not expect that and I cannot tell you how much it means to me. Thank you.
I certainly do not want to see this thread being turned into a flame, especially when the thread was not even started by me.
Please send Doug my best regards.
Richard
Sweet Marissa said:This rule is only being created because Corey perfected a technique that allows him to break and run, and other players can't copy it, as they have tried and failed. Even if he makes a ball on the break, they want to call foul, and it's ridiculous. So if I play Johnny Archer, and he jumps balls better than me, I don't think he should be able to jump. How about make him play one-handed, too?What a bunch of babies.
That all comes from the soft break .So now u have to make 3 balls past the side ,And hit at a speed fast then 12mph..I say play pool .And stop the cryin...Jump q'z, Breaks, kicks.Hit hard hit soft ..Let's jus play the dam game..Hard or soft sink balls and run out..
nipponbilliards said:
Corey did tell me he got the cue from Jennifer Chen. I was reading the thread about the X breaker and how all the players were using them. I asked Corey if I could try it out and I did. I thought that it breaks and jumps great. Since I have cues made for me by Jacoby and Corey is unable to use it because of Woodpeckercues, I asked Corey if he will sell it to one of the people on AZbilliards since they seemed like they were trying to get there hands on one, but couldn't. This cue was put up for sell or auction as a kind jester by Corey and me, for someone out there to use it, instead of it sitting in Corey's closet. The money isn't going to make or break Corey, it was a way to try and make it fair as to who got it. I will be calling Corey later about the problems here to see if he still wants to give it up.
daytonajoe
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Al-fahl Amir said:
Suggest that Cory do a drawing for AZ members only. since Jennifer purchased the cue, and $300 isn't going to make or break Cory.
Let people enter their name for say 12 hours or so, and draw a winner. Winner pays shipping only.
Great way to turn this into a positive experience for all..
Ps/; ask Cory if he is comning to the Bahama Shootout this year
Great suggestion..
DJ ... Great suggestion, and would be a great gesture on Cory's part.
Richard ... Thanks for setting the 'record' straight with the facts. It is not
right to have a players or organization's reputation impuned from
speculation or half-baked assumptions.
daytonajoe said:
DJ ... Great suggestion, and would be a great gesture on Cory's part.
Richard ... Thanks for setting the 'record' straight with the facts. It is not
right to have a players or organization's reputation impuned from
speculation or half-baked assumptions.
The X Breaker Corey has is the flaming birdseye model, which features an orange stained birdseye forarm and butt sleeve with a white linen with brown specks.
For those of you who are interested in knowing what the cue looks like before buying it from him, there are more details of the X Breaker added on the site www.xtremebilliard.com for your interest.
Here is the direct link: http://xtremebilliard.com/Gallery2/
Good luck.
Richard
For those of you who are interested in knowing what the cue looks like before buying it from him, there are more details of the X Breaker added on the site www.xtremebilliard.com for your interest.
Here is the direct link: http://xtremebilliard.com/Gallery2/
Good luck.
Richard
Talked with Corey and he is either selling the cue at the Joss tour event or not at all. Does not like all the negative talk about him, said it's the same negativity he got when when tried to do the golf and pool lessons with him.
Snapshot9 said:
If his soft break isn't working Corey will have a hard time going head to head with Niels hard breaking. Corey actually can hit them about 3 - 5 miles an hour harder than Niels but Niels has so much control with his break that I will have to put him the favorite in the match. Especially with his win at the Big Apple Classic. That was his first win in the the States in a big event. I don't really count the skins game because that was a made for TV event. I know that his goal for years was to win a big one in the States and now that he has done it, Watch Out!!!!!! I feel Niels is going to go off and win a lot of big tournaments in the years to come.
True that. Neils is the real deal.Al-fahl Amir said:
Nick B said:
Ditto!!
Why do people gotta meddle in other peoples business. Noone knows who said what, where, or when (until Richard posted his response.) so how does this turn from a 'who wants to buy a cue thread' to a 'Richard and Corey are screwing each other and are both idiots thread'. I havent seen these cues, but by Richards reputation i am sure that they are great cues.
