Correct racking order for the 15-ball rotation?
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Should be as follows :
1
14 13
11 15 12
7 10 9 8
3 4 6 5 2
or
1
13 14
12 15 11
8 9 10 7
2 5 6 4 3
These are the rules I learned years ago from a very good Pinoy friend of mine
1. 1, 2, 3 in the corners
2. 15 in the middle
3. on each side from the top (going down) , should equal 36
(1+13+12+8+2 =36) (1+14+11+7+3=36)
4. Fourth row. Each side should equal 17
(7+10= 17) (9+8=17)
5. Lastly, Fifth row . 6 in the middle , and each side should equal 7
(3+4=7) (5+2=7)
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1
14 13
11 15 12
7 10 9 8
3 4 6 5 2
or
1
13 14
12 15 11
8 9 10 7
2 5 6 4 3
These are the rules I learned years ago from a very good Pinoy friend of mine
1. 1, 2, 3 in the corners
2. 15 in the middle
3. on each side from the top (going down) , should equal 36
(1+13+12+8+2 =36) (1+14+11+7+3=36)
4. Fourth row. Each side should equal 17
(7+10= 17) (9+8=17)
5. Lastly, Fifth row . 6 in the middle , and each side should equal 7
(3+4=7) (5+2=7)
By Far the Best Pocket Billiard Game to learn to improve your skills
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I basically only play this game at home, but i dont pay any attention to racking order. I will, after getting the straight dope.
Another rotation question, please: i recall watching peoe play this game when i was one young. Shooter could contact highest or lowest# ball on the table on any shot after the break.
Is that proper, according to 'real' rules, please? Or is it always only lowest ball?
Another rotation question, please: i recall watching peoe play this game when i was one young. Shooter could contact highest or lowest# ball on the table on any shot after the break.
Is that proper, according to 'real' rules, please? Or is it always only lowest ball?
The way I played with my father and friends is (1 top, 2 & 3 corners; 15 middle with 13 &14 just behind) The high value balls are placed in the middle because it makes it harder for them to be exposed after the break and allowing for easy high points.
1
x, x
x, 15, x
x, 13, 14, x (13 & 14 interchangeable)
2, x, x, x, 3 (2 & 3 interchangeable)
Hope this helps.
1
x, x
x, 15, x
x, 13, 14, x (13 & 14 interchangeable)
2, x, x, x, 3 (2 & 3 interchangeable)
Hope this helps.
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Tucker's game called American Rotation does it differently.
The 15 is on top with the 2 and 3 behind it, the 1 is in the middle with the 13 and 14 behind that. The rest can be placed wherever, so beings that the 11 through 15 count as two points each, most place the 11 and 12 in the corner positions.
Tucker certainly knows about racking positions and the effect on the games. He has a reason for doing it this way, but I'm not sure his thinking on it.
Jeff Livingston
The 15 is on top with the 2 and 3 behind it, the 1 is in the middle with the 13 and 14 behind that. The rest can be placed wherever, so beings that the 11 through 15 count as two points each, most place the 11 and 12 in the corner positions.
Tucker certainly knows about racking positions and the effect on the games. He has a reason for doing it this way, but I'm not sure his thinking on it.
Jeff Livingston
Adding: The balls number is the point value of the ball, ie the 15 ball is worth 15points. Each ball pocketed is tabulated until a shooter makes 61 points and wins as a result. There are 121 points in total. Its a different scoring system than the American Rotation.
Sorry, but there are only 120 points and not 121. So it is possible to end in a tie at the end of the rack.
You are correct. Thank you. I was always bad at math. :thumbup:
Me has to colleg digress and I can't keep tracks of my score playing rotations.
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What are pinoy rules? Sometimes they spot balls when they cant see them. You don't need a rail after contact. Please explain? Is there ever ball in hand?
Cujopro
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1. Balls played in Order (Once you hit the lowest ball anything you make counts as its numerical value)
2. Game to 61 points
3. No Ball in Hand
4. Just need to touch the OB (don't need to contact a rail , like snooker)
5. If you cannot see a ball you can call "spot" , where you spot the OB and your opponent gets the CB anywhere on the line.
6. When your opponent "Fouls" (when the OB is not touched) , it can be played from wherever the CB lands or (if you cannot see the OB) you can spot the OB and you get the CB anywhere on the line
7. A Scratch Foul Is CB anywhere on the line
HANDICAPPING (Giving a spot)
POINTS: Since there is a total of 120 points a regular game is played to 61 (half+1). If one player is stronger, a popular handicap is that he will have to go to more points and the weaker player goes to lower points. (More balls have to be pocketed by the stronger player to win , Less balls for the weaker player)
65-55....70-50.....80-40....etc (Notice the total always equal 120) (You don't only have to do even number . lol)
STARTING AT OPPOSITE ENDS: This handicap is a bit more severe . The Stronger player will play the Balls in order from the 1-ball to the 15-ball , whereas the weaker player will start from the 15-ball and work backwards to the 1-ball. This allows the weaker player to accumulate points faster.
LAST BALL SIDE: This rule can be implemented before play. Stating that the game ball (no matter what point value you are playing to) must be pocketed in the side pocket
STOP-1: Mostly a hustles trick. When a weaker player is asking for a handicap , If is coaxed into playing STOP-1 (Meaning everytime the stronger shoots a ball he "STOPS" and it become his opponents turn at the table)
The trick here goes as follows. If I'm the better player I will make the 1-ball and (at the same time) play the CB safe on the 2-ball. My opponent comes to the table with no shot. Is forced to kick , come-up with something tough or give me spot shot that I shoot from anywhere on the line .
(Btw....It helps if you're good at spot shots in Rotation)
I continue doing this throughout the game (make the 4-ball...hide the CB from 5..etc)
(It is also good practice for learning to hide your CB)
ANYWAYS....that's all I got.
Good luck
PEACE !
Check out this vid on Rotation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaQUZuO2UYo
My Personal Rotation Playlist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaQUZuO2UYo&list=PLxAhNK8I-7WMjpn8ub5whSCwkLZMZc-9i
2. Game to 61 points
3. No Ball in Hand
4. Just need to touch the OB (don't need to contact a rail , like snooker)
5. If you cannot see a ball you can call "spot" , where you spot the OB and your opponent gets the CB anywhere on the line.
6. When your opponent "Fouls" (when the OB is not touched) , it can be played from wherever the CB lands or (if you cannot see the OB) you can spot the OB and you get the CB anywhere on the line
7. A Scratch Foul Is CB anywhere on the line
HANDICAPPING (Giving a spot)
POINTS: Since there is a total of 120 points a regular game is played to 61 (half+1). If one player is stronger, a popular handicap is that he will have to go to more points and the weaker player goes to lower points. (More balls have to be pocketed by the stronger player to win , Less balls for the weaker player)
65-55....70-50.....80-40....etc (Notice the total always equal 120) (You don't only have to do even number . lol)
STARTING AT OPPOSITE ENDS: This handicap is a bit more severe . The Stronger player will play the Balls in order from the 1-ball to the 15-ball , whereas the weaker player will start from the 15-ball and work backwards to the 1-ball. This allows the weaker player to accumulate points faster.
LAST BALL SIDE: This rule can be implemented before play. Stating that the game ball (no matter what point value you are playing to) must be pocketed in the side pocket
STOP-1: Mostly a hustles trick. When a weaker player is asking for a handicap , If is coaxed into playing STOP-1 (Meaning everytime the stronger shoots a ball he "STOPS" and it become his opponents turn at the table)
The trick here goes as follows. If I'm the better player I will make the 1-ball and (at the same time) play the CB safe on the 2-ball. My opponent comes to the table with no shot. Is forced to kick , come-up with something tough or give me spot shot that I shoot from anywhere on the line .
(Btw....It helps if you're good at spot shots in Rotation)
I continue doing this throughout the game (make the 4-ball...hide the CB from 5..etc)
(It is also good practice for learning to hide your CB)
ANYWAYS....that's all I got.
Good luck
PEACE !
Check out this vid on Rotation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaQUZuO2UYo
My Personal Rotation Playlist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaQUZuO2UYo&list=PLxAhNK8I-7WMjpn8ub5whSCwkLZMZc-9i
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This maybe a stupid question but if there is another ball or balls on the spot do you spot the ball in front of the balls or behind like in straight pool/one pocket?
If my opponent pocket scratches and say I can not see the object ball can I call spot and make him shoot?
Also what constitutes being able to "see the ball?" That is kind of subjective to a certain degree.
Also what constitutes being able to "see the ball?" That is kind of subjective to a certain degree.