Cortland Linen (WTB) White w/blk specs

Bavafongoul

Bavafongoul

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Thanks to everyone that responded to my very recent Main Forum new thread about wrap material.

I'm looking to locate a specific Cortland Linen (White w/black spec) to wrap a cue I have being built. I have some lead time but the search has been in vain for several months already. And I did follow up on the suggestion to contact Mr. Pechauer. He graciously agreed to sell me some Cortland Linen (White/green spec) which is all he has available. I'd prefer not to use the green spec mainly because the cue will have ebony points & ebony butt sleeve and so a black spec Cortland fits the bill perfectly.

Naturally, I always can resort to using the green spec version Mr. Pechauer was kind enough to offer or else just select one of the currently available Irish Linen wraps. This cue is kinda special and I wanted to check with the Forum membership in case anyone happens to know of a source for some Cortland Line (white w/black spec). I'm prepared to pay top dollar price if that even matters any. Frankly, I do not think the problem would be price as much as just finding the darn stuff.

The Forum has an amazing network of pool aficionados, operators, cue-makers, vendors, and cue professionals. If there was ever a place to locate any Cortland Linen (wht/blk spec) that might be available, then this has got to be the ideal place to present my request. If you do know someone and the person does not belong to the Forum, please feel at ease to offer them my e-mail for contact purposes (bavafongoul@yahoo.com). As I mentioned, the cue will not be completed until 1st qtr. 2014 so I've got some lead time. Thank you for your opinions, ideas and suggestions.
 
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I don't think what you are asking for exists. I could be mistaken but I heard that original Cortland linen comes with green specs. Anything else would be a modern linen?

Again, that's what I heard. If someone can chime in.

Good luck in your search.
 
dom_poppa......I believe you're mistaken. I can't state how many types of Cortland were produced but I do know that George Balabushka used Cortland # 9 & also used Cortland #14. There's actually one party that I definitely know has a very minute supply of the Cortland Linen (White w/black spec) however, it's being understandably saved for special project cues since it's irreplaceable and scarce.

Now I'm implying that any of these other Cortland Linens are now available or exactly how many different versions of Cortland Linen were ever produced, But I can state with absolute certainty there were more versions of Cortland Linen that just #9 green fishing line. From what I've seen, most brand fishing lines come in a variety of tensil strengths as was the case with Cortland Linen. I believe the number correlates to the number of twists or strands used to comprise the Cortland Linen string/line. Anyway, this is my understanding of Cortland Linen.

I'm just hoping someone might have a stash of the White /black spec version that they're willing to part with. I figure I have at most perhaps 3 mths to get it to my cue-maker before he may need the wrap or else I'll probably just go with an Irish Linen double white spec.
 
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See if any makers have any Blue Mountain brand linen left. Might be the closest thing you will be able to find.
 
You may want to get the white with green specs from Pechauer,as a "just in case".If you can't find the white with black,and then when you go back to Pechauer,it may be too late.You are looking for an extinct dinosaur and you have found a "cousin" to the species that you seek.I wouldn't let the "cousin" get away while you are still looking for the other "cousin".
I would also reach out to the actual manufacturers,Penn/Cortland the fishing line people that actually made the stuff.If they don't have any more,they may be able to give you a lead to one of their customers that has new old stock left over.Hope this helps,and good luck with your build project.
Marc
 
I got big roll of bluemountain black white spec one of last rolls from atlas billiards it's closest thing to cortland by penn
 
Earlier this year, when I needed specific linen, I received a good response in the Ask The Cuemaker section. Your request here in W/FS is appropriate. But I would try the other section as well.

I was told that pool cues do not represent a sufficient size market to have line makers produce some of the quality linens from the past. I like the feel of new linen threads, but the colors from the past were really elegant.

Good luck.
 
Sean & Marc.....thanks for the suggestions & Holdem ......I will check out the Blue Mountain alternative as well.
 
Bavafongoul said:
Thanks to everyone that responded to my very recent Main Forum new thread about wrap material.

I'm looking to locate a specific Cortland Linen (White w/black spec) to wrap a cue I have being built. I have some lead time but the search has been in vain for several months already. And I did follow up on the suggestion to contact Mr. Pechauer. He graciously agreed to sell me some Cortland Linen (White/green spec) which is all he has available. I'd prefer not to use the green spec mainly because the cue will have ebony points & ebony butt sleeve and so a black spec Cortland fits the bill perfectly.

Naturally, I always can resort to using the green spec version Mr. Pechauer was kind enough to offer or else just select one of the currently available Irish Linen wraps. This cue is kinda special and I wanted to check with the Forum membership in case anyone happens to know of a source for some Cortland Line (white w/black spec). I'm prepared to pay top dollar price if that even matters any. Frankly, I do not think the problem would be price as much as just finding the darn stuff.

The Forum has an amazing network of pool aficionados, operators, cue-makers, vendors, and cue professionals. If there was ever a place to locate any Cortland Linen (wht/blk spec) that might be available, then this has got to be the ideal place to present my request. If you do know someone and the person does not belong to the Forum, please feel at ease to offer them my e-mail for contact purposes (bavafongoul@yahoo.com). As I mentioned, the cue will not be completed until 1st qtr. 2014 so I've got some lead time. Thank you for your opinions, ideas and suggestions.
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I wish i could help you out but i only have one spool of #12 w/b left (50yds)

I do have an idea that might work for you but ill have to talk to him first to make sure.







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Just in case any other readers might be interested, this is what I've found out about sources for Irish Linen in the USA. I have a contact at Craftsman Cues in Birmingham, England which is the supplier I use for my pool cue wax. I've asked them to check out the marketplace when they get a chance but who knows when I might hear back.

Meanwhile, here in the USA.....Blue Mountain is kapupt........out of business for awhile now. There's some around and the only version is the Black with white spec which is a little too dark for me. That's why I was leaning towards a double white speck Irish Linen if I can't find the right Cortland which doesn't look too good right now.

Stuart Hurlbert Company in Framingham, MA makes a black with white speck Irish Linen and it's available at a few websites for $50/roll (1 lb.). I spoke with Mr. Hurlbert a little while ago and learned that shortly, within a month, there will be other color options which are being finalized right now. Stuart didn't allude to how many or what colors but simply said I'd be pleased with the options.

Presuming that the new color options were attractive, the limiting factor is the minimum order quantity that's a case which consists of 25 rolls at approximately $31/roll plus shipping & tax as I do not have a resale license. Well, that's more than $800 for a case and all I would need is one roll and so that doesn't financially work and trying to sell 24 extra rolls might take awhile too. The only option would be to wait until the new colors (?) are available through dealers & distributors by which time my cue would already be made.

From what I can tell, there's demand for really good Irish Linen pool wraps but apparently not enough to make it a worthwhile market expansion for any new suppliers or even any USA manufacturers. So as cueaddicts & batalarms earlier posted................if and when you find any Cortland Linen and you enjoy playing with it..............jump on the opportunity. Even if I don't install the green spec version on my cue. I'll probably still buy a roll from Mr. Pechauer, assuming of course his kind offer is still good, just to be on the safe side. Meanwhile, the calendar advances and I'm going to keep searching for some Cortland Linen (white w/ black speck)........Thanks again for the comments and suggestions.
 
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G. Balabushka made a lot of his cues using white with green specs Cortland #9.Just my opinion,but I think that color looks very good on an ebony points/ebony butt sleeve cue.My advice,jump on Pechauers white with green Cortland,and then,keep looking if you want a different color.Just my 2 cents.
Marc
 
Atlas lists white with black spec linen. They have a total of 34 linen wraps in various colors.
 
Type79......thanks.....that's where I located the Hurlbert Irish Linen (1lb roll @$49.00). It's black with white speck which is the only version Hurlbert currently makes but as I posted, Hurlbert will soon be adding some color options. Atlas also has some Blue Mountain Linen at $37/roll and it's also the black with white speck which isn't as attractive looking as the Hulbert Linen, at least in my opinion.

Unless I can locate some Cortland #12 white with black spec, I'm going to send my cue-maker one roll of the Hulbert Linen (Black with white spec) and one roll of the Cortland #9 Linen if I can persuade Mr. Pechauer to still release a roll. I'm going to let my cue-maker decide which one looks best for my cue's wrap since he'll have the completed cue to compare its points, veneers, butt sleeve and see how the wrap will be framed by the cue's ivory& ebony square stich Bushka collars. So he can choose which wrap verson is framed the best and enhances the cue's overall design.

I know I wind up buying more wrap than I require but price is unimportant when it comes to this cue. If my cue-maker wanted another grand, I'd willingly have paid him whatever he wanted. It's a matter of trust and excellence............I trust him to do an excellent job or I would not have chosen him.........and he's entitled to charge anything he wants for making me something very special.

The only caveat was he was very clear before I even hired him to build this cue that the Cortland Linen cue specification was my responsibility if that's what I really wanted, however, he was able to accommodate and provide any other type wrap material.....exotic leathers etc......at no additional charge but the Cortland Linen was on me.
 
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Still looking for Cortland Linen #12 (black speck) if anyone has any to sell, please contact me. Meanwhile, I followed batalarms' advice and Mr. Pecahuer was gracious to sell me some Cortland Linen #9 (green) which is being sent directly to my cue-maker next week.

I'm glad I was able to score some original Cortland Linen for my cue, regardless of the color. However, I'd still prefer to have the Cortland #12 for my cue's wrap and so if anyone has a roll they'd let go, I'll pay top price for the black spec Cortland.

Marc, thanks for the suggesting to get what's available now.
 
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Bavafongoul said:
Still looking for Cortland Linen #12 (black speck) if anyone has any to sell, please contact me. Meanwhile, I followed batalarms' advice and Mr. Pecahuer was gracious to sell me some Cortland Linen #9 (green) which is being sent directly to my cue-maker next week.

I'm glad I was able to score some original Cortland Linen for my cue, regardless of the color. However, I'd still prefer to have the Cortland #12 for my cue's wrap and so if anyone has a roll they'd let go, I'll pay top price for the black spec Cortland.

Marc, thanks for the suggesting to get what's available now.
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You're welcome Matt.No problem and good luck with your search and the build.Remember to show us the cue when it's finished.In the Cue Gallery.Have a nice weekend.
BR,Marc
 
Bavafongoul said:
Thanks to everyone that responded to my very recent Main Forum new thread about wrap material.

I'm looking to locate a specific Cortland Linen (White w/black spec) to wrap a cue I have being built. I have some lead time but the search has been in vain for several months already. And I did follow up on the suggestion to contact Mr. Pechauer. He graciously agreed to sell me some Cortland Linen (White/green spec) which is all he has available. I'd prefer not to use the green spec mainly because the cue will have ebony points & ebony butt sleeve and so a black spec Cortland fits the bill perfectly.

Naturally, I always can resort to using the green spec version Mr. Pechauer was kind enough to offer or else just select one of the currently available Irish Linen wraps. This cue is kinda special and I wanted to check with the Forum membership in case anyone happens to know of a source for some Cortland Line (white w/black spec). I'm prepared to pay top dollar price if that even matters any. Frankly, I do not think the problem would be price as much as just finding the darn stuff.

The Forum has an amazing network of pool aficionados, operators, cue-makers, vendors, and cue professionals. If there was ever a place to locate any Cortland Linen (wht/blk spec) that might be available, then this has got to be the ideal place to present my request. If you do know someone and the person does not belong to the Forum, please feel at ease to offer them my e-mail for contact purposes (bavafongoul@yahoo.com). As I mentioned, the cue will not be completed until 1st qtr. 2014 so I've got some lead time. Thank you for your opinions, ideas and suggestions.
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I have cortland with dark green spec. Its considerably darker than the light green, but not black.
 
GATexas1978....thanks for the e-bay reference. Batalarms is correct as the Specron is not the same as original Cortland but I do appreciate the search information.

William, the dark green spec you have is undoubtedly very rare as I've not seen any, not that my failure to locate any, of and by itself, makes it rare. But the selection of Cortland Linen wrap has dwindled down to basically a small inventory of #9 in the hands of a few individuals.

Thank you for the offer and if you ever get a chance, could you send me a photo of the linen on its spool so I could evaluate whether it would be an adequate substitute for what I already have (#9). I am pretty set on trying to locate any #12 but maybe the dark green you have would work.

My e-mail, if that's handier for you to send any photo, is bavafongoul@yahoo.com. Thank you for replying to my search post.
 
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