Cory Deuel

[bethesilentone]

I'm a little behind on the times, what's the deal with Corey and UPA?

That is a hot question. Deuel ,Earl, and Troy frank do not like Charlie Williams, and the seminole tribe(FLA.casino owners), and deuel were going to run 4, or 5 100,000 tournaments without the UPA Approval just to spite UPA. Now that Lipsum is in charge and is setting up Grand Central for the UPA. I be t you will see at least Earl Bow to the Beast. Deuel is very unmoving in his mind about things. He is a unique individual to say the least. Obviously he was "number 1 in the world" and his attitude reflected this at that time. Now he is treading water to just forget the sport for awhile. Alot of pro players fighting for a first prize of 800 is kind of a waste of hotel and travel fees. Time will tell the tale.

 

[drivermaker]

Strong Words Drivermaker!! I agree with you about Corey having one hell of and uphill climb to make a great living playing golf......but you never know. I understand that Corey plays pretty close to scratch golf on his home course and Ohio and frequently enjoys One on One tournamants. You might very well get a challenge from Corey if someone informs him about your possible financial sponsorship. You never know..

Strong words, maybe, but not hot air. I hope he does see it and brings it on, for his own good if he has it in him. Close to scratch isn't good enough for the tour. On his home course and other courses that are easier or not set up as difficult as the PGA sets them up, he needs to be shooting 65-69 every single day. And those scores are a major leap from where he's at. There are also many mini-tours throughout the country that he can cut his teeth on against other very good golfers and aspiring PGA tour players to see where he stands. He won't do that by gambling one on one like in a pool hall. Pro golf is a different world and a different mentality. If we did play, I don't know how close to scratch he is, but odds are he's still going to lose after one week of playing. And if he did win, that's what I'd be looking for in talent...he could then say he beat a pro. (albeit a senior one now)

 

[Drake]

What a pleasure it is to have someone on the CCB that used to a Pro golfer. Bravo!! I know you will bring a lot to the board about the mental approach to the game. BTW, Who Are you??? What are your top finishes playing golf??? How long have you been playing pool?? What, if any, similarities do you see between the two??

 

[TATE]

Is Duell all that awesome at pool? Every time I have seen him play he has been pretty ordinary.

Honest question, not a troll.

Take into account he's a young player. His game reached a level in 2001 which was nearly unbeatable. If you want to see what he's capable of, get a copy of the US Open Final 2001 against Mika Immonen - an 11-0 drilling that's actually more like watching brain surgery than pool. It's absolutely brutal.

Chris

 

[TATE]

Strong Words Drivermaker!! I agree with you about Corey having one hell of and uphill climb to make a great living playing golf......but you never know. I understand that Corey plays pretty close to scratch golf on his home course and Ohio and frequently enjoys One on One tournamants. You might very well get a challenge from Corey if someone informs him about your possible financial sponsorship. You never know..

Realistically, a scratch golfer would have no chance on any of the pro tours much less the PGA. He might be a successful teacher or club manager, however.

I sponsored a pro about 15 years ago on a mini-tour. He was a scratch golfer, a one-two under club type pro. He was competeing against guys with last names like Armour and Waldorf with plus 5 handicaps (average 5 under) and still pretty much living out of the trunks of their cars. I caddied for him in 7 or 8 events. You needed to shoot 69 just to get your money back. The winning scores were 64, 65, 66 - and that's on the Mikey Mouse tour in a one day event. When we were teamed with real pro's, the difference in skill level was quite apparent.

Even if a club pro can shoot 5 under on championship courses, the PGA courses are far harder, longer, and the greens are tricked up. They are lucky to shoot par on a PGA set-up course, and a scratch golfer will shoot 75 or 77. They tuck the pins on the weekend and the greens are super fast - it just kills them. Just getting on the PGA tour is the ultimate horror story. Todd Hamilton, who just won the british open this weekend, went to Q school 8 times before qualifying this year at age 38, and this is a man who is basically a champion in Asia.

There's a terrific book by John Feinstein called "A good Walk Spoiled" which gives a glimpse of what it takes to get through Q school and keep your PGA card.

Chris

 

[JustPlay]

To play in PGA events you have to qualify for them not just get a pga card and start playing in the events. Also the entry fee to these events are high dollar! I know a pro golfer and he plays on smaller tours in Canada, Florida and Texas and some of the entry fees are as high as 10K. Pool entry fees are cheap compared to Golf entry fees and qulifications. Besides, what is Deuel qulified to do otherwise? Did he even graduate highschool? He should have stuck with pool or get back into it. He needs to stick with what he knows and that is 9-ball. Otherwise he will be in Florida asking people if they would like fries with that shake!

 

[drivermaker]

What a pleasure it is to have someone on the CCB that used to a Pro golfer. Bravo!! I know you will bring a lot to the board about the mental approach to the game. BTW, Who Are you??? What are your top finishes playing golf??? How long have you been playing pool?? What, if any, similarities do you see between the two??

Hey Drake...wake up. You're on the wrong forum and used to arguing with to many nitwits. What's that old statement about birds of a feather? This is AZB, not CCB. For your information, I've played pool longer than I've played golf. Both over 40 years, I just played golf at a higher level, although I also played in a couple of pro pool tournaments, just not at the same level of skill as golf. Learned my lesson real quick and saw the light. In a way, you could say that I achieved pro level in two sports, although I don't really consider that to be the case in pool. How many people can say that?
How many people can achieve pro status in just one sport? What have you competed in at a pro level that gives you additional insights into anything?
What do you know about what it takes to make it in a sport as a pro? You're from Georgia according to your info, are you Johnny Archer under an alias? Other than killer instinct, a lot of heart, and an unyielding will to win or excel, I see no similarities between the two because they're totally different sports and skill levels. Read the other posts by Tate, Willebetmore, and one or two others. They're all right on the mark. If you're Corey's mouthpiece or agent, bring him on. I have no delusions about beating him on the table. If he has it about making it on the PGA Tour, well........

 

[wayne]

Pool and golf

I've played both sports and I would have to agree there are a lot of similarities. Considering that about 40 percent of the shots in golf are putts which involve a lot of hand-eye co-ordination, good feel, a good sense of speed, nerves of steel, good follow through, positive attitude, mental control (just to name a few). From this you can see that a professional pool player who applied his knowledge to golf may have an advantage over others in this respect.

If Corey is around a scratch golfer now and with his natural abilities and knowing what is required to be a top professional in a sport he may be able to make it as a golfer also. He is certainly entitled to give it his best shot if this is what he desires to do.

An argument that says no one from another sport can possibly become a top golfer is a little lame and something only a golfer would come up with since the same could be said about 100's of sports. There may not be a single top pro golfer that could ever beat Corey in pool.

I had a single digit handicap when I quit golfing to take up pool. What I have learned in pool would certainly help me immensely if I ever decided to start golfing again. However, I discovered I have more natural talent in pool than I did in golf so I am sticking with pool. However, what if Corey discovers he had more talent in golf than pool (it is possible although probably unlikely), he may be able to make it as a pro.

Just one man's opinion (which I am entitled to "I believe")

Wayne

 

[Renegade]

I still say Corey should give Hollywood a try. He could star as himself on another "Color of Money" opposite Tom Cruise, or have Matt Damon play him. Edward Norton would be a great Mika Immonen and Ben Affleck, with some prosthetics, would give Earl the Pearl some good looks.

 

[recoveryjones]

That's a very broad generalization that I don't think holds true at all, especially when the only moving body part in pool is the lower part of one arm and in golf EVERTHING on your whole body comes into play. THAT takes exceptional coordination and even some of the most gifted athletes in other sports can't do it in golf. There's probably no one more coordinated and blessed than Michael Jordan on the basketball court, but his golf swing looks like shit and he plays like it too. Charles Barkley's swing is incredibly bad and he's taken lessons from all the top teachers and plays daily. Ivan Lendl quit tennis and tried making it on the mini-tours, devoting every minute of his waking hours to practice and playing and stinks. Gabrielle Reese, the very gifted volley ball player and super physical specimen has devoted her life to golf and is getting nowhere. Some of these 5'1" Korean girls on the LPGA that have to walk past a wall twice to cast a shadow once can give her 10 strokes or more and whip her butt every day of the week. Many a great baseball player with picture perfect power swings in the batter's box look like spastics with a golf ball on a tee that isn't moving and a club in their hands.

I'll make Corey a deal. If he can whup up on me everyday for a full week on the golf course, I'll personally move Heaven and Earth to find him financial backing and the best teachers to pursue his dream, and I do know some big money cats that wouldn't hesitate if the talent was there. So...there you go Corey...if you're reading this and want to do something with it, get in touch...I ain't bullshitin'. My personal thoughts though...stick to pool. What a tremendous young talent that could probably dominate if staying focused.

Having read what you've written and the way you've worded it, I can see your point(you do make some good ones by the way).....to a point.I admit maybe I was a little to broad in my statements.However,you saying some of the points I made "don't hold true at all" is little bit of an overkill on your part, based on the message I was TRYING to convey.

I stand by the first part of my statement that you've commented on that was quote:

"Both sports have many of them same simularities: Mental toughness, stance grip,stroke, weight control, hand eye co-ordination,hitting the ball with various spins, etc, etc."

In saying this I didn't mean that the POOL stance, grip or stroke had anything in simuliarty to a golf swing, I just meant that they were important in both sports and that usually people who can master them in one sport have a better chance in doing them well than Joe un-co-ordinated.

Also you can put right or left siding on a cue ball and do the same thing to a golf ball , however it's called draw or fade.Seems pretty simuliar to me.

Here's where I got maybe a little to broad in my statement that you've addressed:

"Usually great pool players can use there God given talents and play golf good as well."

Okay, I admit it. there are probably a lot of great pool players that can't play golf worth $hit, but I did say"Usually". However, I stand by my comments that a guy (like Corey) with great hand eye co-ordination, mental toughness, etc. etc. has a lot better chance at being good at golf than your typical average Joe (un-blessed, unco-ordinated), that's usually mediocre at everything.That's all I really meant by any of my comments rendered in my first post.

Ialso know that one of our local pro pool players and some of our A+ pool player get together and golf. All are known to shoot in the 70's or very low 80's and I'm sure that some of that natural talent(displayed in pool) shows itself in both sports.
Take care, RJ

 

[predator]

Why not try other billiard disciplines like snooker or 3 cushion? I know how different those are compared to pool, but at least they are the same sport, unlike golf which certainly isn't.

 

[drivermaker]

Why not try other billiard disciplines like snooker or 3 cushion? I know how different those are compared to pool, but at least they are the same sport, unlike golf which certainly isn't.

Now that's a very good point regarding snooker and hitting some of those big tournaments overseas or even living there. Aren't the top notch players knocking off $500,000 and over in total prize money, endorsements, and appearance fees? In addition to that, you get a lot more T.V. time and a much larger fan/viewer base. Here, there's no money for appearance fees and very little, if any, in the way of endorsements. You have companies like Predator (no pun intended on your name) that continue to openly BRAG that they pay no one to use their product. That is total insanity and they should be embarrassed to even say that. It surely is paid out by other sporting goods and apparel companies.

 

[Drake]

Ok, Drivermaker.....I didn't plan on making you go on tilt. All I did was say that Corey is known to gamble at golf and play close to scratch golf on his home course. I have no idea if your a fourteen year old punk or a 60 year old gentleman that stands behind his words. As far as I go, My name is Todd Drake and I've played in 6 Professional Pool tournys. Got my Hat handed to me in 3 of those......You can find my name on the "players" part of this site. I did cash at Derby City Nine Ball the last Three years. I know I'm only a good shortstop.....but I can hit the balls really well on occasion. So, I feel that I can give decent opinions on some of the pool playing discussions about the Pro's since I've been beat by them a few times. I don't hide behind false names or fake email addresses. You can reach me Drakeshark@hotmail.com. I don't know if you are Pro pool player yourself, but I will be glad to match up some pool with you for some medium stakes....Give me a call. Once Again, Who are You??? That way we can validate your statements on being an ex Pro Golf Player.

 

[Drake]

After reading my post...I went on tilt. Sorry about that Drivermaker. I've been lurking around the discussion boards for about six years now. I had a bad night at the hospital last night and got a little pissed when you called me a nit wit. Sorry about that. I hope to see some of the posters around Derby next year where we can sweat some matches together. I've been around this game to long to see us,people who love pool, go at each others throats. That is the main reason Pool can't move up the ladder in respect from the general public. Just my opinion.....Drake

 

[tonyk]

Maybe the guy has played golf for years already?

 

[drivermaker]

Ok, Drivermaker.....I didn't plan on making you go on tilt. All I did was say that Corey is known to gamble at golf and play close to scratch golf on his home course. I have no idea if your a fourteen year old punk or a 60 year old gentleman that stands behind his words. As far as I go, My name is Todd Drake and I've played in 6 Professional Pool tournys. Got my Hat handed to me in 3 of those......You can find my name on the "players" part of this site. I did cash at Derby City Nine Ball the last Three years. I know I'm only a good shortstop.....but I can hit the balls really well on occasion. So, I feel that I can give decent opinions on some of the pool playing discussions about the Pro's since I've been beat by them a few times. I don't hide behind false names or fake email addresses. You can reach me 9122726405. I don't know if you are Pro pool player yourself, but I will be glad to match up some pool with you for some medium stakes....Give me a call. Once Again, Who are You??? That way we can validate your statements on being an ex Pro Golf Player.

Drake, you're right....I did go on tilt. As soon as you said CCB my antennae went up and I assumed that you might be attempting a flame war which is real common over there and you just lost track of where you were. When I read your questions and the way they were structured, which are a normal precursor to set someone up for the hammer, they seemed laced with sarcasm. After I pressed "submit", I reread them and didn't interpret it the same way. I guess I made a mistake.

I never made it to the big show of the PGA Tour. I played in tournaments just below that level. Now, they would be considered mini-tour events, but back then there was no one structuring various "tours", so to speak. They were just tournaments that we knew about and played in, especially in the winter in Fla. There was also a lot more gambling on the golf courses with large stakes than there is currently. At my level of golf at the time, I had the skills to knock off most of the club professionals. Unfortunately, when you are a club pro you play a lot less to attend to your members, patrons, business, and the course and your game disintegrates as a result of not playing or practicing. Currently, I'm still a golf professional but I own a golf club company and I work on my game just as hard as when I was young and can still play at a fairly high level.

I'm fortunate to have had another passion, pool. After golf was over, to the pool room I went. That was my life...golf & pool...and still is. I've had a great life. There's was a third passion that I pursued with a vigor, women, but I don't have that in me anymore. I think I succumbed to too much bitching. Go to your PM and you'll see what you're looking for.

 

[drivermaker]

Having read what you've written and the way you've worded it, I can see your point(you do make some good ones by the way).....to a point.I admit maybe I was a little to broad in my statements.However,you saying some of the points I made "don't hold true at all" is little bit of an overkill on your part, based on the message I was TRYING to convey.

I stand by the first part of my statement that you've commented on that was quote:

"Both sports have many of them same simularities: Mental toughness, stance grip,stroke, weight control, hand eye co-ordination,hitting the ball with various spins, etc, etc."

In saying this I didn't mean that the POOL stance, grip or stroke had anything in simuliarty to a golf swing, I just meant that they were important in both sports and that usually people who can master them in one sport have a better chance in doing them well than Joe un-co-ordinated.

Also you can put right or left siding on a cue ball and do the same thing to a golf ball , however it's called draw or fade.Seems pretty simuliar to me.

Here's where I got maybe a little to broad in my statement that you've addressed:

"Usually great pool players can use there God given talents and play golf good as well."

Okay, I admit it. there are probably a lot of great pool players that can't play golf worth $hit, but I did say"Usually". However, I stand by my comments that a guy (like Corey) with great hand eye co-ordination, mental toughness, etc. etc. has a lot better chance at being good at golf than your typical average Joe (un-blessed, unco-ordinated), that's usually mediocre at everything.That's all I really meant by any of my comments rendered in my first post.

Ialso know that one of our local pro pool players and some of our A+ pool player get together and golf. All are known to shoot in the 70's or very low 80's and I'm sure that some of that natural talent(displayed in pool) shows itself in both sports.
Take care, RJ

O.K. Jonesey, you've stretched the living hell out of this...Let me see if I can take your thinking and do some creative stretching myself. "Usually great pool players can use their god given talents and play golf, bowling, baseball, ball-room dancing, and be a politician as well."

In bowling you have to have mental toughness to get through all of the brackets to the finals; you must take the proper stance on a variety of lanes; you grip on the ball must be just right, you have to be well balanced with your weight, you definitely have to have hand eye coordination, and you hit the pins with a variety of spins. In addition to that, you're aiming for a pocket just like you do in pool; the surface where your ball rolls is hard and smooth; and you play caroms, kisses, and combinations into the pins. Plus, he can wear a half-fingered Earl Strickland glove autographed by Earl himself.
(Seems like he has a MUCH GREATER future in bowling and they earn more)

In baseball, while facing a Randy Johnson 100 mph pitch, you have to have mental toughness; your stance in the batter's box has to be just right; you must have good balance going into the ball; your hand-eye coordination really has to be superior; and you can put slice or hook spins on a baseball based on how you time it.

In competitive ball room dancing, you have to have mental toughness against all of those other competitor's and the judges; your stance has to be just right at various parts of the dance; you definitely need good balance or your partner will be on her lard bottom; and you have to spin her in different directions.

In potitics you have to have mental toughness against all of the smear campaigns, especially when they have a picture of you porkin' one of the help in the back of a car at 2:00 a.m. Your stance on all of the issues has to be strong; you need to have a grip on what the public really wants; you definitely need good weight control so you don't look like crap in those photo opp shoots; you need hand eye coordination in order that you don't dribble soup on your good tie and white shirt at a gala benefit drive; and you have to be on the ball to put various spins on anything that your opponent ever says that could look favorable to others.

The moral to the story is...if you play pool...you can do anything at a super high level.

 

[wayne]

O.K. Jonesey, you've stretched the living hell out of this...Let me see if I can take your thinking and do some creative stretching myself. "Usually great pool players can use their god given talents and play golf, bowling, baseball, ball-room dancing, and be a politician as well."

In bowling you have to have mental toughness to get through all of the brackets to the finals; you must take the proper stance on a variety of lanes; you grip on the ball must be just right, you have to be well balanced with your weight, you definitely have to have hand eye coordination, and you hit the pins with a variety of spins. In addition to that, you're aiming for a pocket just like you do in pool; the surface where your ball rolls is hard and smooth; and you play caroms, kisses, and combinations into the pins. Plus, he can wear a half-fingered Earl Strickland glove autographed by Earl himself.
(Seems like he has a MUCH GREATER future in bowling and they earn more)

In baseball, while facing a Randy Johnson 100 mph pitch, you have to have mental toughness; your stance in the batter's box has to be just right; you must have good balance going into the ball; your hand-eye coordination really has to be superior; and you can put slice or hook spins on a baseball based on how you time it.

In competitive ball room dancing, you have to have mental toughness against all of those other competitor's and the judges; your stance has to be just right at various parts of the dance; you definitely need good balance or your partner will be on her lard bottom; and you have to spin her in different directions.

In potitics you have to have mental toughness against all of the smear campaigns, especially when they have a picture of you porkin' one of the help in the back of a car at 2:00 a.m. Your stance on all of the issues has to be strong; you need to have a grip on what the public really wants; you definitely need good weight control so you don't look like crap in those photo opp shoots; you need hand eye coordination in order that you don't dribble soup on your good tie and white shirt at a gala benefit drive; and you have to be on the ball to put various spins on anything that your opponent ever says that could look favorable to others.

The moral to the story is...if you play pool...you can do anything at a super high level.

Boy, you sure are getting sarcastic. Time for a chill pill.

I would not bet against Corey becoming a professional golfer. He started out some time ago as a ball banger. Got a passion for the game of pool and became the number 1 player in the world. Now he apparently has a passion for the game of golf and has some degree of talent in this sport also. Sometimes lightening does strike twice. The odds are greatly against this happening but it is not like the odds are a million to one.

We are not talking about someone who achieved some degree of mediocrity in a professional sport, we are talking about someone who rose to #1 in the world, no minor accomplishment.

Maybe someone who knows Corey or runs into him can ask him what his goals are and maybe get him to explain how his pool experiences help with his golf game.

I believe I heard that Archer and Stickland and a few other top pros are good golfers and I think Archer may have a goal to be a golf pro also.

Wayne

 

[drivermaker]

Boy, you sure are getting sarcastic. Time for a chill pill.

I would not bet against Corey becoming a professional golfer. He started out some time ago as a ball banger. Got a passion for the game of pool and became the number 1 player in the world. Now he apparently has a passion for the game of golf and has some degree of talent in this sport also. Sometimes lightening does strike twice. The odds are greatly against this happening but it is not like the odds are a million to one.

We are not talking about someone who achieved some degree of mediocrity in a professional sport, we are talking about someone who rose to #1 in the world, no minor accomplishment.

Maybe someone who knows Corey or runs into him can ask him what his goals are and maybe get him to explain how his pool experiences help with his golf game.

I believe I heard that Archer and Stickland and a few other top pros are good golfers and I think Archer may have a goal to be a golf pro also.

Wayne

Time for you to take a chill pill and not be so serious. That wasn't sarcasm, that was just what you call "funnin' with someone". Lighten up dude.......

My money is against all of them. NONE will make it in top level pro golf. Wanna place some big time bets right now? I'll book anything you want, and I ain't funnin' on this one. $1,000 minimum

 

[wayne]

Time for you to take a chill pill and not be so serious. That wasn't sarcasm, that was just what you call "funnin' with someone". Lighten up dude.......

My money is against all of them. NONE will make it in top level pro golf. Wanna place some big time bets right now? I'll book anything you want, and I ain't funnin' on this one. $1,000 minimum

Ok, what do you think the odds are? Based on what you have written I guess a conservative estimate would be 100,000 to 1. Ok I am willing to post up $1,000. Let's see that means you have to post up $100 Million to cover my bet. Let's do it, we will put it in escrow for 5 years and if it doesn't happen in 5 years then you win my $1000, if at any point in the 5 year period it does happen I collect your $100 Million. Seems like a fair bet to me.

Wayne