Could Willie Mosconi have been better with Modern Pool Equipment

Was and is Willie Moscioni the GREATEST POOL PLAYER EVER

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PoolSleuth said:
... Why has no one ever TOP Willie's 526 Ball Record?
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First, please turn off the goofy font. It makes my eyes bleed.

Willie missed on 527. Ignore the bogus "bio" or you'll have to turn in your "sleuth" moniker.

William Peall pocketed 721 consecutive balls, and on a larger table than Willie's 4x8.

Do you think Mosconi was a greater player than Walter Lindrum?
 
jnav447 said:
I don't think Hopkins is all that cocky, seems like a nice fellow to me. Anyway, of the players I put in front of Mosconi (Reyes, Parica, Lassiter, Worst, Greenleaf, Sigel, Hall, Hopkins and Taylor) at 14.1 he would beat Hall, probably beat Reyes, Parica, Worst, may or may not beat the others; he would get crushed by all of them in 9-ball and 1-pocket (except maybe Greenleaf); all but Worst and Greenleaf (who I'm not sure of in this game) would beat him in bank pool; I know Worst beats him in 3C and probably Reyes. The question was: best pool player, not best 14.1 player. To WILLIEBETMORE: well-stated and persuasive...I humbly recant that portion of my rant and applaud your acumen.
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Did you read the post about Fats & Allen? Mosconi killed Fats in
one hole. Any way, apples & oranges. Mosconi was great at
straight pool because that was the game at the time. Even as
an old man in the 70's he beat all the legends at 9 ball: Lassiter,
Balsis, all of them. And what do you or I know about Greenleaf
or Worst? Nothing. They were before my father's time & I'm 57.
Mosconi would have kicked ass at any game he devoted himself to.
Until Reyes came along there's never been anybody like Mosconi
and the same could probably be said about Greenleaf before Mosconi
came along.
I imagine you think Larry Holmes & Lennox Lewis could have beaten
Joe Louis & Rocky Marciano. No way, Jose.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Do you think Mosconi was a greater player than Walter Lindrum?
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Im probably in danger of sounding incredibly ignorant but, wasn't he a english billiards player and a snooker player?
 
Cameron Smith said:
Im probably in danger of sounding incredibly ignorant but, wasn't he a english billiards player and a snooker player?
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He was an English billiards player and probably the greatest cueist that ever lived.

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I don't know if Mosconi was the greatest all around player ever, but he certainly was (IMHO) the most dominant player ever. He played and beat legendary players on a regular basis. No one that I know of has had the stranglehold on the game that Willie had. Reyes is incredibly talented, but he has never dominated the game like Willie did.
 
To answer the question about Efren's shaft: The cue Efren originally played with a maple shaft made from the wood of a bowling alley floor. It was said to have an extremely stiff hit. For a while he played with a Meucci on contract, then went on to use a number of custom cues. Lately he shoots with a Judd with a one piece maple shaft.
 
Cameron Smith said:
Im probably in danger of sounding incredibly ignorant but, wasn't he a english billiards player and a snooker player?
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english billiards, and by all accounts, i must agree with mr441, he may have been the greatest cueist of all time. if no one has any stories, i hope bobby posts here.
 
bruin70 said:
english billiards, and by all accounts, i must agree with mr441, he may have been the greatest cueist of all time. if no one has any stories, i hope bobby posts here.
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Walter Lindrum was in all liklihood the greatest or at the least the most dominant cueist ever. He completely dominated English Billiards from around 1925-1960. He got so good that he had to spot all the other top players 7,000 points per match, a match would go on for a week or two and would end up with the winner having 25,000-30,000 points. To show you how great he was - there were only a few players with a personal best high run of 2,000 points or more, one guy had 2,000 points 3 times, another did it once...this was a great feat, Walter had over 30 runs of 2,000 points or more! His best ever was a little over 4,000 points! No one else ever ran 3,000 but Walter did it 3 or 4 times I believe. His chief rival Joe Davis never ran 2,000, not even in practice. In fact it was because of Lindrum's dominance that Joe Davis decided to popularize snooker which wasn't a championship game yet. He promoted it in England because he knew Walter would never play it (he considered it inferior to billiards) hence Davis would be undisputed champion.
Walter was raised in his father's billiard hall in Australia and was obsessed with practice, he practiced 10-14 hours a day, every day. His father made him do tedious drills, sometimes practicing the same shot for 8 hours straight. An interesting thing about Lindrum was that although he played left-handed, he was naturally right-handed (like Sigel).

Bobby
 
hondo said:
Did you read the post about Fats & Allen? Mosconi killed Fats in
one hole. Any way, apples & oranges. Mosconi was great at
straight pool because that was the game at the time. Even as
an old man in the 70's he beat all the legends at 9 ball: Lassiter,
Balsis, all of them. And what do you or I know about Greenleaf
or Worst? Nothing. They were before my father's time & I'm 57.
Mosconi would have kicked ass at any game he devoted himself to.
Until Reyes came along there's never been anybody like Mosconi
and the same could probably be said about Greenleaf before Mosconi
came along.
I imagine you think Larry Holmes & Lennox Lewis could have beaten
Joe Louis & Rocky Marciano. No way, Jose.
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I believe Harold Worst passed away in the mid-late 60s at the age of 37 or so. He's much more recent than Ralph Greenleaf.
 
Check your facts!

Gerry said:
you need to check your facts......he missed 527

I'll say he was the BEST straight pool tournament player of his time, his record proves that.

I don't think equipment would have done much more for him. He was playing with a Balabushka....can't get much better than that!

There were a handful of players that were in his league like, Cranfeld, Worst, Crane, Balsis, Eufemia etc that made huge runs. I will also say he was backed by Brunswick, so we all knew who he was by their marketing machine...

Gerry
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I do believe Crazyman had it right... According to everyone who I have heard, who by the way were alive at the time and actually knew Willie personnaly say that he quit because he was tired. Also, though he may have owned a few Balabushkas, his high run of 526 was set with a Herman Rambow cue.

Cross Side Larry

"Learn from the best, and beat the rest"
 
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