cracked 314 ferrule
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dave sutton
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used to be titan but then there was a recall so the changed. dont know what it is not.
i just did a few ivory ferrules on 314 2. worked out great. pm me if you need direction
i just did a few ivory ferrules on 314 2. worked out great. pm me if you need direction
You have to be really careful in taking them out.McChen said:
The wood tenon holding the ferrule is very very thin.
yeah i know the tenon is hollow, so it is pretty delicate. but other than that is pretty much standard? just a normal (but shorter) capped and threaded ferrule? i assume if the tenon gets screwed up or snapped off, you are out of luck, it wouldn't be replaceable like a normal shaft.
dave sutton
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right. What I did was cut it off flat at the bottom of the existing ferrule. Very small passes. Face off. Cleaned up the hole and cut a tenon on the ferrule with some notches and epoxied into the hole. Plays great. I used real ivoryKJ Cues said:
WheatCues
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nipper said:
There are a couple of key factors to replacing a ferrule on the 314
1. use an ABS ferrule it's soft and maintains the consistancy with the original feel, PVC is just too cheesy.. also you must machine the ferrule down to exact depth so that the tenon bottoms out on the capped ferrule leaving of course a very small gap .1000 at end for glue beadline.
2. since the wall of the tenon is extremely thin and brittle, you must be very careful on your passes during damaged ferrule removal, barely graze the tenon when you make you cleanup pass... then you mic. the tenon and drill out your ferrule stock to tenons diameter and install it with EITHER loc-tite super glue gel OR 2-part epoxy resin. *** FYI - 314 ferrules are sleeved not threaded ***
And the finished result sounds, feels and plays exactly the same !
I have been performing this surgery for years and are quite accurate and very comfortable with the operation....
If you have any questions please call anytime ! 321-631-1827
Sincerely, Eddie Wheat - East Coast Cue Repair
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tenion
First off I'm not a cue maker ,I had a 314-2 shaft and the ferrule came off,I had the shaft drilled for a tenon and a melinane ferrule installed,the shaft hit like a dream.I have since sold the cue and I have a new cue with a 314-2 shaft and I'm contemplating having the same done to this shaft.
First off I'm not a cue maker ,I had a 314-2 shaft and the ferrule came off,I had the shaft drilled for a tenon and a melinane ferrule installed,the shaft hit like a dream.I have since sold the cue and I have a new cue with a 314-2 shaft and I'm contemplating having the same done to this shaft.
WheatCues
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LILJOHN30 said:
Yes I agree, many players have the 314's altered to their preferences, some like the harder hit where others like the softer hit and that is what it's all about....
However, the 314 original properties are likeable to many as well, and that alone is the tedious part of the repair, because of the extenuating circumstances that surround the physical constuction and assembly of the ferrule to the shaft, is why alot of cuesmiths just modify the ferrule replacement to begin with becasue it's a whole lot easier !
One thing I need to address about replacing the original 314 ferrule with a harder one : The whole point of a softer ferrule is to soak up the impact along with the polyfoam core inside the shaft to eliminate the amount of initial shock the first 8-10 inches the shaft receives from a powerstroke and general play which in turn WILL blow out the laminated maple spines that hold the shaft together....
In short... Theres a damn good reason why it's designed with those principles and attributes..... if you use a harder ferrule the shaft will come apart eventually, I will guarantee it... and especially if you break with it !
So unless you are a finess player and you never have to powerstroke a shot then you should be able to escape with the harder ferrule with no problems.....
I just thought I would share that info. with you !
Sincerely, Eddie Wheat
That would hit harder and have better feedback imo but will surely deflect less off the cueball b/c of it's weight thereby making the cueball deflect moreLILJOHN30 said:
off the tip.
SInce the Pred is already drilled around .250 by 5 inches deep, it'd be easy to tap about an inch of that hole and thread in a wood tenon there.
But, if you are going to do that, you might as well buy a radially laminated shaft like Dominiak's and get it ferruled with melamine and tapered the way you want .
Mr Wheat,
There is no poly-foam core to a Predator shaft. There is a small foam pad at the entrance to the hollow section that I suspect is there to prevent the epoxy from traveling down into the hollow when installing the ferrule. Other than that, the hollow is just that, totally hollow. KJ
There is no poly-foam core to a Predator shaft. There is a small foam pad at the entrance to the hollow section that I suspect is there to prevent the epoxy from traveling down into the hollow when installing the ferrule. Other than that, the hollow is just that, totally hollow. KJ
OB-1 does the whole shft iinm.KJ Cues said:
I hit foam when I tapped the collar end's hole.
WheatCues
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Yes I am very aware that the foam is only several inches in the 314 and Royce uses foam the entire length of the shaft on the OB1's... I never said it went all the way through !KJ Cues said:
I'm starting to realize that I have to give 100% detail with you guys becasue talking in general leaves too much room for critiquing....
I figured since I'm dealing with other cuemakers and cuesmiths who have experience and a general knowledge of what were discussing, that you would know what I'm referring to....
I'm not trying to win the any award here or become a pool professor... but when I seem to be the one of the very few goes to great lengths to explain answers to various questions and they are valid.... then obviously you guys see that I know what's inside the 314.. so why the necessity to critique my information ????
Who's delicate toes am I stepping on now ?
Sincerely, Eddie Wheat
Mr Wheat,
I tried to present some corrective information in a neutral and constructive manner. Yet your tone appears to be somewhat combative. You don't know me and I don't know you and I'm quickly getting the sense that I'd prefer it to stay that way.
I will however, repeat what I was trying to tell you for the sake of curtailing mis-information. The front 5" of a Predator shaft is hollow. There is no foam in it. Other than the small pad, which is about 1/16" thick, at the top of the hollow and just beneath the ferrule, there is no foam. Not for 'several inches', not for 5 inches, not for any inches. It's hollow.
Now, you can accept this or not. I didn't come here to argue. I came here to learn & to share, from what limited information that I have. What I'm telling you here is true. This I know. (DD).
I tried to present some corrective information in a neutral and constructive manner. Yet your tone appears to be somewhat combative. You don't know me and I don't know you and I'm quickly getting the sense that I'd prefer it to stay that way.
I will however, repeat what I was trying to tell you for the sake of curtailing mis-information. The front 5" of a Predator shaft is hollow. There is no foam in it. Other than the small pad, which is about 1/16" thick, at the top of the hollow and just beneath the ferrule, there is no foam. Not for 'several inches', not for 5 inches, not for any inches. It's hollow.
Now, you can accept this or not. I didn't come here to argue. I came here to learn & to share, from what limited information that I have. What I'm telling you here is true. This I know. (DD).
I vote for KJ !!
John
John
WheatCues
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KJ Cues said:
KJ, once again I'm aware of the foam depth, I never said it went all the way through... I thought I would save a little time and unneeded words and not have to state the obvious in that particular aspect...
And as far as my combative behavior is concerened you can thank "Joeyincali" for getting me that way... it seems alot of you are more interested in critiquing people than contributing assistance !
I honestly think some of you you just want to be noticed and can't resist retorting even when it's not directed at you !
Now as far as you KJ... I don't know you either and I was not lashing out at you... I just didn't feel the correction was appropriate since it was not warranted... and after the constant fire I have been under, it seems everytime I have a response to post... one of you single out a specific sentence and completely remove it out of context and harp on it....
I don't police any of you and I ask that you do not do that of me.... unless I provide INCORRECT information !
This site has some serious "playground" overtones to it and unfortunately for those of us who are trying to be helpful to others who have genuine questions to ask, it seems the majority of the responses are vague or go off on a tangent that is irrelevant to the question at hand...
I am not trying to be a smartass or insulting to any of you guys, but I'm not going to be pushed around either !!!
Sincerely, Eddie Wheat 321-631-1827
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WheatCues
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KJ Cues said:
And one more thing about the foam.... I HAVE PULLED OUT ATLEAST 6 INCHES OF A BLUE POLYFOAM TYPE MATERIAL IN THE OLDER PREDATOR SHAFTS FROM 5+ YEARS AGO WHEN I DISECTED ONE....
NOW THEY ARE USING RED/PINK COLOR FOAM IN THEM NOW AND I DON'T CARE HOW FAR IT GOES DOWN, I HAVE NOT DISECTED A NEWER ONE...IT IS IRRELEVENT TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION AT HAND !
THIS I KNOW !
THIS THREAD WAS ABOUT 314 FERRULE REPLACEMENT NOT THE FOAM CORES.... "THIS IS EXACTLY THE BEHAVIOR I'M REFERRING TO !"
- Eddie Wheat
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