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Maniac said:
Pool players overthinking stuff??? Say it ain't so! :rolleyes:
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When people start all the artst-fartsy descriptions of a cue i'm done. Some of the mystical things attributed to a stick with a chunk of leather on the end just gets a little 'out there' at times. I heard a guy one time say that his cue wasn't playing good because the steel joint hadn't warmed up yet. I didn't say a fkng word, i just walked away thinking "WTF??????????". ;)
 
garczar said:
When people start all the artst-fartsy descriptions of a cue i'm done. Some of the mystical things attributed to a stick with a chunk of leather on the end just gets a little 'out there' at times. I heard a guy one time say that his cue wasn't playing good because the steel joint hadn't warmed up yet. I didn't say a fkng word, i just walked away thinking "WTF??????????". ;)
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I played a guy with a 1pc housecue that had no ferrule or tip on it. The end was domed a bit and he was chalking that. I felt bad (NOT) beating him for $1K. I gave back $100 so he could pay for a hotel room that night when I found out he had no money left.
 
garczar said:
no shaft can impart more spin than another. tip offset is what determines spin. i've played both a Cynergy and a Rhino and the only difference i could tell was the sound. Deflection was so close it was a non-factor. no idea what 'more forgiving' means in a pool cue. i think you overthink this stuff.
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The cue transform energy to the cue ball. Some of that energy get lost by being absorbed by the cue and its parts (transformed to other forms of energy), some by the tip, some by the ferrle, the shaft itself, by the joint, the butt and any other part of the cue.
Can this be compensated by the player? absolutely!! but if one cue (or part of it) can make you spend less energy, making the game easier then why not?
Also, the game of pool (all cue sports) is a game of feel, and there is no doubt that one cue (or part of it) feels different than another, and you should find what feels best for you which might be different than what feels best for someone else.

I know what feels best for me, now I trying to find it with a CF shaft, and no, they are not all the same.
So saying that a $100 CF shaft is just as good as a $400-500 shaft is simply wrong. The cheap may still feel best for one and not for the other.
 
garczar said:
When people start all the artst-fartsy descriptions of a cue i'm done. Some of the mystical things attributed to a stick with a chunk of leather on the end just gets a little 'out there' at times. I heard a guy one time say that his cue wasn't playing good because the steel joint hadn't warmed up yet. I didn't say a fkng word, i just walked away thinking "WTF??????????". ;)
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Haha...good story.

Should have told him you'll wait for it to warm up.
 
skor said:
The cue transform energy to the cue ball. Some of that energy get lost by being absorbed by the cue and its parts (transformed to other forms of energy), some by the tip, some by the ferrle, the shaft itself, by the joint, the butt and any other part of the cue.
Can this be compensated by the player? absolutely!! but if one cue (or part of it) can make you spend less energy, making the game easier then why not?
Also, the game of pool (all cue sports) is a game of feel, and there is no doubt that one cue (or part of it) feels different than another, and you should find what feels best for you which might be different than what feels best for someone else.

I know what feels best for me, now I trying to find it with a CF shaft, and no, they are not all the same.
So saying that a $100 CF shaft is just as good as a $400-500 shaft is simply wrong. The cheap may still feel best for one and not for the other.
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The 'high dollar guys' live for people that believe this. I A-B'd multiple cf shafts and could see ZERO difference in playability of a $160 Rhino vs. a $400+ shaft. One ex. is the Mezz Ignite, nice shaft but $600bux???? C'mon man.
 
skogstokig said:
what these brands have done is they've pulled the curtain on the insane CF shaft pricing of predator and cuetec.
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I don’t think so. When a predator 314 was 200, an import wood shaft off eBay was $40. Same thing. There is always a market for a premium product. The market is so good, in fact, for predator’s premium product that there are more revos out there than the knock offs. That speaks volumes, as it’s almost always the lowest price sells the most.
 
iusedtoberich said:
I don’t think so. When a predator 314 was 200, an import wood shaft off eBay was $40. Same thing. There is always a market for a premium product. The market is so good, in fact, for predator’s premium product that there are more revos out there than the knock offs. That speaks volumes, as it’s almost always the lowest price sells the most.
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In my local spot the lo-buck cf's outnumber Revos/Cynergy's/etc by a big margin.
 
iusedtoberich said:
I don’t think so. When a predator 314 was 200, an import wood shaft off eBay was $40. Same thing. There is always a market for a premium product. The market is so good, in fact, for predator’s premium product that there are more revos out there than the knock offs. That speaks volumes, as it’s almost always the lowest price sells the most.
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i guess we'll have to wait and see. i think these asian brands will flood the market eventually. why pay extra for a cat logo
 
skogstokig said:
i guess we'll have to wait and see. i think these asian brands will flood the market eventually. why pay extra for a cat logo
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I'd bet that Rhino sells more cf shafts in a given week than Predator. They run ads on YT non-stop. Great product at a real fair price. Go on Temu/Alibaba and look at the sheer # of cf shafts available. There are literally millions of asian players alone using non 'big name' shafts.
 
garczar said:
I'd bet that Rhino sells more cf shafts in a given week than Predator. They run ads on YT non-stop. Great product at a real fair price. Go on Temu/Alibaba and look at the sheer # of cf shafts available. There are literally millions of asian players alone using non 'big name' shafts.
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I actually like the one I linked. Super plain, but tasteful.

I'll never user it... but it looks nice.
 
Looks like the Revo is mostly out of stock, maybe there is a Revo 2 on the horizon?
 
garczar said:
no shaft can impart more spin than another. tip offset is what determines spin. i've played both a Cynergy and a Rhino and the only difference i could tell was the sound. Deflection was so close it was a non-factor. no idea what 'more forgiving' means in a pool cue. i think you overthink this stuff.
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I don't necessarily agree. I have different shafts with the same tip, installed by the same installer. The two shafts feel different, and they perform differently. I can definitely get more spin out of one than I can the other. The shaft may not be the only factor, but it is definitely part of the equation in my humble opinion.
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