This is the first I've heard of any complaints about the Rasson playing weird. Can you expand on that?
CSI dumps Diamond for Predator tables
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I agree, but building shit tables isn’t the investment we need.
Factory support and trained mechanics who can properly install tables is what’s needed.
A company selling shit tables while they costing our sport $ isn’t doing pool any favors.
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Fatboy
Have you played on one or put one together? I am staying positive that a reputable company is investing in pool! SAM has been making tables for quite a while, its not like they are a start up.... Surprising you are bashing them.I agree, but building shit tables isn’t the investment we need.
Factory support and trained mechanics who can properly install tables is what’s needed.
A company selling shit tables while they costing our sport $ isn’t doing pool any favors.
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Fatboy
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Where did you get that info? They sold out every order that they produced with Global. Makes no sense to keep payin to have their bases made by another company. I am betting with escalade ownership they are going to keep investing!
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I wasn’t bashing them.
I was speaking in general terms-not about anyone specific.
Any table manufacture needs a support system in place behind the product they sell.
Maybe my post wasn’t clear or out of context-not knocking anyone
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Fatboy
I thought he mentioned that the 9 foot is a drop pocket and the 7 will be a ball return
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phreaticus
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I have no info. I was simply gleaning that from comments around here, the fact that their new barbox product page no longer exists, and no one seems to have seen them in the wild except at Archer’s place in GA.
A mini GC6 coinop barbox sounds great. If BW is still investing and working on it, cool. As far as I know you are the only one around here with any BW insider connections, so keep us posted I guess. Doesn’t cost anything to be optimistic!
phreaticus
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I just skim watched the video, but I thought Molina Mike asked him directly about the drop pocket design & lack of coinop mechanism on the current/new 7 footers and Karim’s response was that they are focused on drop pocket model delivery for the large upcoming CSI events and would get to the return models later. I may have that wrong.
To be fair, the Predator/CSI PR on the new “Apex Premier” table does mention a “ball return system designed to be quiet and keep the balls clean”, so presumably it is designed for it, but the feature is not prioritized yet.
I imagine their new 7 foot it just a rebadged version of the 7 foot SAM already makes with maybe some cosmetic changes.
I dont think this is a big deal for pool halls, most rooms I have played in that are not bars have tables with out coin mechanisms and still have the returns. In fact, the Diamond ones with out coin stuff are GREAT, the balls come back so fast!! I spend little to no time in bars, coin ops have no place in my life. Brunswick offered just the return on their last offering. I suspect the GC Coin op will be back with a base that they make and not another companies. You are 100% correct, it cost me nothing to be optimistic about them coming back into the tournament game. While we are on that topic: they abandoned commercial pool, I hate that part. Hence, my excitement for Predator jumping into the table market: THEIR ENTIRE MOTIVE IS TO SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL POOL!!
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There is no "Brunswick" involved in the sport of pool anymore, thats done and over!
I wonder if the new tables will come with the cloth velcroed on. 
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I find them to bank short (once cloth is broken in). Also many balls down the rail from shallow angles seem to get spit out that in my opinion should go in. Some people like them. Me not so much.
I remember when Cyclop balls first hit the market. People ran to them with promises of high density resins and quality control. In the end they exited the market. Goofy cue balls lopsided numbered balls that didn't hold up. Rasson has come in and splashed some marketing money (in Snooker as well). It doesn't mean they are well built or play well. To me it's like the celebrities who told everyone to go buy Crypto during the Super Bowl. Fortune favors the brave my bum.
If CSI, or BCAPL gave a crap they would have polled Player for input. But like most people in the PO lol community they are self centered, only care about their product, do not even have friendly comparators, live by kill or be killed moto, and bottom line is they are for sale like Politicians in D.C., for sale to highest bidder.
Brunswick still offers a 9' GC 6. Does that not qualify as a commercial table?
Brunswick Billiards is now a subsidiary of Escalade which is a sports company with billiard brands including Lucasi, Players, American Heritage (tables), Cue & Case, Mizerak cues and tables, etc.
phreaticus
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And the Centennial. Although we don’t seem to see any modern rooms being outfitted with either…
Have you ever played on one a GC6? Do you see them being used in new pool rooms or for tournaments?
My point is: they do not host or sponsor tournaments, nor, do they participate in supporting Professional Pool Players. They barely have a presence in commercial pool.
It is very, very common knowledge that Escalade owns Brunswick now. I hope and pray they invest in the future of commercial pool.
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Lucasi and Players along with Dufferin were/are all owned by Cue and Case before being bought by EscaladeSports. What they do with B'wick is anyone's guess.
IMO, it is a TON better than KPS Financial. Escalade is obviously in the Billiard Industry and the purchase of Brunswick could really change the things in a positive way. I am super curious about the GC Coin op. T
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As do I, brother....As do I.