CTE Aiming Users

[eze]

CueTable Help

Useing cte aiming can you make both these shots with the same bridge
placement off center to edge line,,You cant use spin or deflection ,center cb hit only.And if you can how?Both shots are on thin side of cte aiming and have the same distance between them,but one angle is greater than the
other..

The line from the 2 ball is off,it loaded wrong ,its from the ball to the pocket..

 

[DoomCue]

CTE is a visualization technique and has nothing to do with geometry on a sheet of paper.

-djb

CueTable Help

Useing cte aiming can you make both these shots with the same bridge
placement off center to edge line,,You cant use spin or deflection ,center cb hit only.And if you can how?Both shots are on thin side of cte aiming and have the same distance between them,but one angle is greater than the
other..

 

[eze]

CTE is a visualization technique and has nothing to do with geometry on a sheet of paper.

-djb

Does cte require the edge of the ob? And does it require some kind of pivot
with the cue.and the key to the whole thing, the bridge placement?

 

[DoomCue]

Does cte require the edge of the ob? And does it require some kind of pivot
with the cue.and the key to the whole thing, the bridge placement?

It's hard to describe. I suggest you talk to Tom Simpson (probably expensive) or Hal Houle (free). CTE does use the edge of the OB, hence the name. Which edge you use depends on the cut angle. It does not always require a pivot, but there's usually a shift of the bridge hand. Some variations of CTE, like one for straight-in shots, do require a pivot. Those that need a pivot rely on your knowing what your cue's pivot point is, either intuitively or quantitatively.

-djb <-- not trying to be mysterious or confusing, it's just hard to describe without a table, some balls, and a stick

 

[SpiderWebComm]

What is this CTE that you speak of?

That shit's all hype and myth - ghost ball is the only maneuver, imfo.

 

[dgem]

CueTable Help

Useing cte aiming can you make both these shots with the same bridge
placement off center to edge line,,You cant use spin or deflection ,center cb hit only.And if you can how?Both shots are on thin side of cte aiming and have the same distance between them,but one angle is greater than the
other..

The line from the 2 ball is off,it loaded wrong ,its from the ball to the pocket..

1 ball, center to edge then pivot from left to right. or edge to edge pivot from right to left.

2 ball, edge to edge then pivot from left to right.

This is how I will pocket this shot.

 

[dgem]

What is this CTE that you speak of?

That shit's all hype and myth - ghost ball is the only maneuver, imfo.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

 

[eze]

It's hard to describe. I suggest you talk to Tom Simpson (probably expensive) or Hal Houle (free). CTE does use the edge of the OB, hence the name. Which edge you use depends on the cut angle. It does not always require a pivot, but there's usually a shift of the bridge hand. Some variations of CTE, like one for straight-in shots, do require a pivot. Those that need a pivot rely on your knowing what your cue's pivot point is, either intuitively or quantitatively.

-djb <-- not trying to be mysterious or confusing, it's just hard to describe without a table, some balls, and a stick

I have talk with Hal ,everthing required a pivot thick or thin.In th 2 shots
i posted these would be on the thin side he did not tell me there are
2 different bridge placments for thin shots and maybe there isnt but i cant
make both shots doing the same thing i can by placing the bridge hand
over more.

 

[JAW725]

It's hard to describe. I suggest you talk to Tom Simpson (probably expensive) or Hal Houle (free). CTE does use the edge of the OB, hence the name. Which edge you use depends on the cut angle. It does not always require a pivot, but there's usually a shift of the bridge hand. Some variations of CTE, like one for straight-in shots, do require a pivot. Those that need a pivot rely on your knowing what your cue's pivot point is, either intuitively or quantitatively.

-djb <-- not trying to be mysterious or confusing, it's just hard to describe without a table, some balls, and a stick

Hello,

I'm not sure if I agree with the " knowing your cue's pivot point " comment. Maybe I'm wrong but I use a variation of CTE where a pivot is performed on every shot. I can make the same shots wether I use my 314, stock shaft or my teammate's cues. I'm not an expert in the system but I would say I'm fair with it. Once I implement further direction ( Stan Shuffet ), I'll be alright . I was taught by T. Simpson but I have incorporated an air/hip pivot and sometimes I believe it may get me into trouble - yet it feels proper in regards to my stance and alignment. The way Tom taught me felt strange to perform but it worked.

 

[Koop]

What is this CTE that you speak of?

That shit's all hype and myth - ghost ball is the only maneuver, imfo.

Werd up man.

Koop - loves ghosts

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Doom Cue:
CTE is a visualization technique and has nothing to do with geometry on a sheet of paper.

No matter what aiming method you use, the result has to be the cut angles drawn on the diagram. In order to choose which CTE method to use (center to edge, edge to edge, pivot left or right) you have to somehow visualize the same cut angles drawn on the diagram.

pj
chgo

 

[Patrick Johnson]

For clarity, I fixed the diagram to show that neither of these shots is really a half-ball cut:

CueTable Help

pj
chgo

 

[Koop]

For clarity, I fixed the diagram to show that neither of these shots is really a half-ball cut:

pj
chgo

Awesome, thanks.

 

[mikepage]

No matter what aiming method you use, the result has to be the cut angles drawn on the diagram. In order to choose which CTE method to use (center to edge, edge to edge, pivot left or right) you have to somehow visualize the same cut angles drawn on the diagram.

pj
chgo

I've come to the conclusion (after spending time with Spiderman) that CTE may be a very useful and sensible approach, but it is not actually an aiming system at all. Sure there's talk of pivoting in such and such a way to achieve an aim, etc. I think the disconnect is it is not actually a prescription to get to the right aim. That you the player must do. Here's what it is. It is a repeatable approach to perceiving the correct aim that avoids the bias of the stick.

What I mean is that when the rest of us lay our cue down in ABOUT the right aim and then try to refine that aim by looking at an overlap or a contact point or whatever, we are unavoidable biased by that "almost right" line (the stick) in front of our faces. That's a problem. Try drawing a chalk line on the table that is ALMOST the right line for a long straight in shot. It will drive you crazy.

There's a reason when we shoot with a bridge we angle it off from the shot line by a lot.

These "pivoting" approaches like CTE allow you to perceive the aim line/ball overlap from the vantage point of your stance WITHOUT the bias of the stick before you bring the stick into play. Any talk of exact pivots about exact points or getting to the right aim by a particular prescription is just lore, imo.

 

[dr_dave]

I've come to the conclusion (after spending time with Spiderman) that CTE may be a very useful and sensible approach, but it is not actually an aiming system at all. Sure there's talk of pivoting in such and such a way to achieve an aim, etc. I think the disconnect is it is not actually a prescription to get to the right aim. That you the player must do. Here's what it is. It is a repeatable approach to perceiving the correct aim that avoids the bias of the stick.

What I mean is that when the rest of us lay our cue down in ABOUT the right aim and then try to refine that aim by looking at an overlap or a contact point or whatever, we are unavoidable biased by that "almost right" line (the stick) in front of our faces. That's a problem. Try drawing a chalk line on the table that is ALMOST the right line for a long straight in shot. It will drive you crazy.

There's a reason when we shoot with a bridge we angle it off from the shot line by a lot.

These "pivoting" approaches like CTE allow you to perceive the aim line/ball overlap from the vantage point of your stance WITHOUT the bias of the stick before you bring the stick into play. Any talk of exact pivots about exact points or getting to the right aim by a particular prescription is just lore, imo.

As always, well stated.

This sounds like "Aim while standing" to me, which I'm sure most people would agree is a good thing.

But even when you "aim while standing," doesn't slight "refining" sometimes still come into play after you place your bridge hand and get down into the shot? Or are you suggesting that CTE pivoters don't ever refine their aim? Is there something they do that helps them place their bridge hand more accurately on the visualized line of the shot than other people who aim while standing?

Thanks,
Dave

 

[frankncali]

I've come to the conclusion (after spending time with Spiderman) that CTE may be a very useful and sensible approach, but it is not actually an aiming system at all. Sure there's talk of pivoting in such and such a way to achieve an aim, etc. I think the disconnect is it is not actually a prescription to get to the right aim. That you the player must do. Here's what it is. It is a repeatable approach to perceiving the correct aim that avoids the bias of the stick.

What I mean is that when the rest of us lay our cue down in ABOUT the right aim and then try to refine that aim by looking at an overlap or a contact point or whatever, we are unavoidable biased by that "almost right" line (the stick) in front of our faces. That's a problem. Try drawing a chalk line on the table that is ALMOST the right line for a long straight in shot. It will drive you crazy.

There's a reason when we shoot with a bridge we angle it off from the shot line by a lot.

These "pivoting" approaches like CTE allow you to perceive the aim line/ball overlap from the vantage point of your stance WITHOUT the bias of the stick before you bring the stick into play. Any talk of exact pivots about exact points or getting to the right aim by a particular prescription is just lore, imo.

Mike

You perked my interest. Is this right ??? ---- approaching each shot with our cue and trying to lay it on the shot line is wrong or limiting?

Maybe you could explain the CTE approach into the shot. Seems to me that the cue still has to fall on to some predetermined(guessed) shot line no matter if its pivoted off of it or not.

BTW-- do you know of any device out there that allows a player to shoot at a target ( contact point size) and it give feedback in some way as to whether the exact spot was hit? From my sports days it was always taught that the better you got you needed to learn to aim for smaller targets. Could the overlap or ghost ball be too big of target to practice?

 

[tjlmbklr]

What is this CTE that you speak of?

That shit's all hype and myth - ghost ball is the only maneuver, imfo.

I think you're being sarcastic...right?

 

[tjlmbklr]

Hello,

I'm not sure if I agree with the " knowing your cue's pivot point " comment. Maybe I'm wrong but I use a variation of CTE where a pivot is performed on every shot. I can make the same shots wether I use my 314, stock shaft or my teammate's cues. I'm not an expert in the system but I would say I'm fair with it. Once I implement further direction ( Stan Shuffet ), I'll be alright . I was taught by T. Simpson but I have incorporated an air/hip pivot and sometimes I believe it may get me into trouble - yet it feels proper in regards to my stance and alignment. The way Tom taught me felt strange to perform but it worked.

If you don't mind me asking what did this cost and where did you receive these lessons?

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Mike:

We only spent about 90 seconds on CTE, so respectfully (I stress respectfully) I have to say your post is very general and not really true.

At the same time, I honestly don't want to post the super details because it's not mine to share and I think some people would be upset.

The secret is in the pivot... and I already told the world how to pivot with my CTE SHOT CIRCLE thread from a month or so ago. That is, if you even WANT to pivot (which is not required, truthfully). One could step into the top of the shot circle which is your post-pivot position and you can fire the shot in (which is also called air-pivoting by many). Based on this, your bridge placement is immaterial if your "bridge hand spot" resides on this line.

Should someone not get that advanced with CTE and choose to offset their bridge with a static bridge length/position, your bridge length must be conducive for a pivot that can follow the shot-arc.

This system is quite a lot better than estimation and I'm starting to figure out a lot about the geometry on my own. I have about 20 pages typed-up into a VERY detailed CTE Guide; however, I don't know what to do with it and I don't know if I want to share it (for a lot of reasons). I think the only reason I invested the time into making this guide is because there isn't a written record of the system anywhere.

I'm at a disadvantage because I've spent years on this and have it figured out and everyone else knows what they read on here - which is all incomplete. I just wish I could stroke straight! ha!

Anyways, I hope that makes sense. I'm not going to participate in the thread beyond this because it's a like fighting with both arms behind my back and it's not my fight.

Regards,
Dave

P.S. PJ, you're right--- neither are half-ball hits. The half-ball sight is your beginning reference point, fyi.

 

[frankncali]

Mike:

We only spent about 90 seconds on CTE, so respectfully (I stress respectfully) I have to say your post is very general and not really true.

At the same time, I honestly don't want to post the super details because it's not mine to share and I think some people would be upset.

The secret is in the pivot... and I already told the world how to pivot with my CTE SHOT CIRCLE thread from a month or so ago. That is, if you even WANT to pivot (which is not required, truthfully). One could step into the top of the shot circle which is your post-pivot position and you can fire the shot in (which is also called air-pivoting by many). Based on this, your bridge placement is immaterial if your "bridge hand spot" resides on this line.

Should someone not get that advanced with CTE and choose to offset their bridge with a static bridge length/position, your bridge length must be conducive for a pivot that can follow the shot-arc.

This system is quite a lot better than estimation and I'm starting to figure out a lot about the geometry on my own. I have about 20 pages typed-up into a VERY detailed CTE Guide; however, I don't know what to do with it and I don't know if I want to share it (for a lot of reasons). I think the only reason I invested the time into making this guide is because there isn't a written record of the system anywhere.

I'm at a disadvantage because I've spent years on this and have it figured out and everyone else knows what they read on here - which is all incomplete. I just wish I could stroke straight! ha!

Anyways, I hope that makes sense. I'm not going to participate in the thread beyond this because it's a like fighting with both arms behind my back and it's not my fight.

Regards,
Dave

P.S. PJ, you're right--- neither are half-ball hits. The half-ball sight is your beginning reference point, fyi.

Spidey
Even with CTE shots doesnt the shooter still have to line the cue up on some sort of original shot line whether he pivots in the air or on the table?

My interests lie in what can aid players in learning to line up straighter on the shot line. I really believe that almost 100% of all players can tell where the contact point is but for various reasons cant line up on it OR can't hit it.
Got a link to your CTE shotcircle video? I would love to check it out

Thanks