CTE discussion !

Nice Smart Alec comment, Pj.
You're the primary reason that I don't care whether I ever post on AZ ever again!

The fact of the matter is, is that there really isn't a pivot int the truest sense of the word as related to how the game is really played. The pivot is just a simple turning of a cue to center cue ball.
I'd say that the overwhelming majority of pros do just that.

And, once again, you display your woefully inadaquate understanding of the pureness of CTE aiming.

Stan Shuffett
 
Stan;

Hope springs eternal in the heart pf this 86 year old long time pool player with a high run of 29. I'll buy your dvd if you will tell me where to send the check.

Dave Nelson
 
stan shuffett said:
Nice Smart Alec comment, Pj.
You're the primary reason that I don't care whether I ever post on AZ ever again!

The fact of the matter is, is that there really isn't a pivot int the truest sense of the word as related to how the game is really played. The pivot is just a simple turning of a cue to center cue ball.
I'd say that the overwhelming majority of pros do just that.

And, once again, you display your woefully inadaquate understanding of the pureness of CTE aiming.

Stan Shuffett
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Stan, don't let people's negativity run you off. You have something that is GENUINELY valuable and which pays dividends to the student far in excess of the price paid. Remember that no matter what the subject there will never be universal agreement or acceptance.

Most people who brought truly valuable information to the world were once dismissed by critics. It's equally worth remembering that no one ever erected a statute in tribute to a critic.

I get am email every couple days from people who have tried your aiming methods and are genuinely happy to be experiencing major improvement. They are happy to be playing, enjoying the game, and shooting with a confidence that they never had before. Those are the people you should listen to. I know it's hard to ignore the barbs. My advice to you is to simply compile a list of testimonials and every time someone throws a negative jab simply answer with a post from a satisfied player.

When every jab becomes an advertisement for what you are teaching they will eventually stop opening the door for you. The momentum is all in your favor and those of us who have benefited from your instruction and effort are grateful beyond words. Thanks for all you do and have done and will do!

Your friend and supporter,

John Barton
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I've made a promise to myself to never get hemmed-up in another CTE thread for as long as I live.. so I'm only making one post.

The pivot offset doesn't matter. It can be a 1/16" offset or a full ball offset---- It's how accurately you arc to center that matters.

To make an extreme example, let's say you have a 1" bridge length and 1/2 ball offset. When you eventually get to center (assuming you rotate from the bridge), you're NOWHERE near the shot solution. If you relinquish the concept of pivot points and focus on the OB - you always find your way home.

Conversely, let's say you have a 2' bridge length and a 1/2 tip offset. Once again, when you pivot to center (from your bridge) you're nowhere near the shot solution.

Whenever you get to center (regardless of the pivot system), you arc/pivot/swivel to center based on the OB plane. Unless you arc, pivot, or swivel w/ the OB plane in mind, you're moving into "air." Your tip and OB plane must be in "harmony."

With air pivots/Pro1 pivots, or such--- your eyes really define that movement and your eyes are focused on the OB as the distance "limit." Prob makes no sense and I'm no longer interested in debating this topic -- but I hope someone can read that and get something out of it.
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Mr. Spider,

I do not want you to break your promise to yourself but I wonder if you could give me a yes or no response?

Are you saying that a close cb to ob relation should have a short radius 'pivot' & a longer ob to cb relation should have a longer radius 'pivot'?

Thanks, should you choose to indulge me.
Rick
 
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ENGLISH! said:
Mr. Spider,

I do not want you to break your promise to yourself but I wonder if you could give me a yes or no response?

Are you saying that a close cb to ob relation should have a short radius 'pivot' & a longer ob to cb relation should have a longer radius 'pivot'?

Thanks, should you choose to indulge me.
Rick
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I am not a keyboard king so sometimes my post are painful.. But I think
He is referring to the "shot circle" The "arc" of your Pivot changes per shot which will change at diff cb and OB distances. Closer the balls smaller the shot circle . Actually a smaller cut angle will affect the radius of your arc Note. I mis used the word "radius" I don't think it's the correct word for describing the path your tip takes to center.
 
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stan shuffett said:
Nice Smart Alec comment, Pj.
You're the primary reason that I don't care whether I ever post on AZ ever again!

The fact of the matter is, is that there really isn't a pivot int the truest sense of the word as related to how the game is really played. The pivot is just a simple turning of a cue to center cue ball.
I'd say that the overwhelming majority of pros do just that.

And, once again, you display your woefully inadaquate understanding of the pureness of CTE aiming.

Stan Shuffett
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Stan I was just talking about what was taught to me by Ron.I realize what you teach is some what different.I think these systems are great and will help ones ability to pocket balls.What kinda gets to me is the confusion over the systems and it very understandable.Its seem with the system's came a whole knew different language.Term's and phrases most of us have never heard of .(at least not me)Now lets add to the mix the different level of players giving advice about it.(More confusion)

I have talked with Ron,Hal,and I have your dvd and what gets posted here sometimes has me scratching my head.

Anthony
 
stan shuffett said:
Nice Smart Alec comment, Pj.
You're the primary reason that I don't care whether I ever post on AZ ever again!

The fact of the matter is, is that there really isn't a pivot int the truest sense of the word as related to how the game is really played. The pivot is just a simple turning of a cue to center cue ball.
I'd say that the overwhelming majority of pros do just that.

And, once again, you display your woefully inadaquate understanding of the pureness of CTE aiming.

Stan Shuffett
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Mr. Shuffett,

I am intrigued by your system. I think some 'arguments' regarding it are merely about vernacular &/or specific accurate definitions of words.

I am new (June 2012) to AZB & even newer to CTE. Does your Pro1 system start at the beginning or do I NEED the earlier version first?

Regards,
Rick

PS Star Trek quote: The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few...or the one. Please stay & help the many.
 
Stan has a very complete and easy to understand system, if you don't own his DVD then order it ASAP . Stan is a great teacher and person.
 
claymont said:
Here's a site that explains CTE well:
http://www.billiardsthegame.com/offset-and-pivot-aiming-systems-395
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I can definitely understand why this topic would draw such a critical debate and this site link is helpful in describing the systems in short hand. However, I'm one of the fools who hit a million balls so my opinion is that there is no magic pill that replaces hard work and practice. What makes anyone think that if you can't imagine a ghost ball some days that you'll automatically have the ability to see portions or aiming points from cue ball to object ball instead. Anyone mount a rifle scope on the end of their cue yet? I'm surprised it's not a system. "Patent Pending"...

To be fair, I'll probably pick up the DVD to see if there is anything else that can help me develop my game further. If I find them to have no value, I will immediately post a video on youtube so everyone can watch them burn.
 
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JB Cases said:
Stan, don't let people's negativity run you off. You have something that is GENUINELY valuable and which pays dividends to the student far in excess of the price paid. Remember that no matter what the subject there will never be universal agreement or acceptance.

Most people who brought truly valuable information to the world were once dismissed by critics. It's equally worth remembering that no one ever erected a statute in tribute to a critic.

I get am email every couple days from people who have tried your aiming methods and are genuinely happy to be experiencing major improvement. They are happy to be playing, enjoying the game, and shooting with a confidence that they never had before. Those are the people you should listen to. I know it's hard to ignore the barbs. My advice to you is to simply compile a list of testimonials and every time someone throws a negative jab simply answer with a post from a satisfied player.

When every jab becomes an advertisement for what you are teaching they will eventually stop opening the door for you. The momentum is all in your favor and those of us who have benefited from your instruction and effort are grateful beyond words. Thanks for all you do and have done and will do!

Your friend and supporter,

John Barton
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John,

Thanks for the nice note and your encouraging words.

Actually, I handle the negativity quite well. I do get tired of the jabbing at times. My posts generally invite a few jabs and that does curtail the time that I choose to spend on here.

I am 2 years plus down the road since I refined my original PRO ONE into CTE PRO ONE. I have only had one real update to my original system, referencing my 1st DVD. ( I have added C to left cuts and A to right cuts. Those are my only refinements. There is one one other update that I did that I am retracting concerning Edge to Edge alignment for some shots.)

I appreciate your post.

Stan Shuffett
 
8pack said:
Stan I was just talking about what was taught to me by Ron.I realize what you teach is some what different.I think these systems are great and will help ones ability to pocket balls.What kinda gets to me is the confusion over the systems and it very understandable.Its seem with the system's came a whole knew different language.Term's and phrases most of us have never heard of .(at least not me)Now lets add to the mix the different level of players giving advice about it.(More confusion)

I have talked with Ron,Hal,and I have your dvd and what gets posted here sometimes has me scratching my head.

Anthony
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Anthony,

Yes, there is much to think about concerning the multitude of systems.

Just keep it simple. It's just see and shoot.

In CTE PRO ONE there are primarily 3 perceptions to learn and 2 of those are your CTE perceptions. Then there are 2 natural movements to center cue ball.

The visuals are objective and the PRO ONE movements are not hard to learn. Most pros are using these movements and I'd say most pros are not aware of their slight right and left eye movements.

Pool is visual/motor and CTE PRO ONE is a strong prescription of how to emulate what many professional players are doing even if they can't explain it.

Stan Shuffett
 
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peteypooldude said:
Stan has a very complete and easy to understand system, if you don't own his DVD then order it ASAP . Stan is a great teacher and person.
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Petey,

As I mentioned previously, I am 2 years further down the road and I am thrilled to say I have had only one significant update to my 1st DVD.

Yes, my DVD is complete with my one update.

Is the material easy to understand? NO, NOT AT FIRST.

Why? Because most players/students are used to seeing one line for aiming with their typical system(s), using their eyes in a very normal manner.

CTE PRO ONE, for your CTE perceptions, uses 2 lines. Learning to see 2 lines at once is difficult in the early going. The key is not to get directly behind either line.

The reward of learning these 2 perceptions is huge. These perceptions put the shooter a rotation away from connecting with the geometry of a table. These perceptions are unique and were not supposed to be. (Thank you, Hal!)

Stan Shuffett
 
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ENGLISH! said:
Mr. Shuffett,

I am intrigued by your system. I think some 'arguments' regarding it are merely about vernacular &/or specific accurate definitions of words.

I am new (June 2012) to AZB & even newer to CTE. Does your Pro1 system start at the beginning or do I NEED the earlier version first?

Regards,
Rick

PS Star Trek quote: The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few...or the one. Please stay & help the many.
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Rick,

CTE PRO ONE is a shooting system.

You immediately learn what to look at and those visuals are objective. You will no longer be looking at nothing.

I also show you how to move into center cue ball using PRO ONE. The idea of putting your eyes on a shot line at ball address and moving straight into that line is not the way to go. Pros are not doing that, maybe a few, but I rarely observe that. (Hal knew that pro players weren't moving straight into their shotlines which led him to once say that the top 200 players in the world used his system.)

Hal's work will be more thoroughly understood one day and that's for sure.

Stan Shuffett
 
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stan shuffett said:
Nice Smart Alec comment, Pj.
You're the primary reason that I don't care whether I ever post on AZ ever again!
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C'mon, Stan, you're not really so thin-skinned that you can't fade a little quip about pivots, are you? If what I've said is incorrect, this would be an opportunity to explain how, wouldn't it?

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
C'mon, Stan, you're not really so thin-skinned that you can't fade a little quip about pivots, are you? If what I've said is incorrect, this would be an opportunity to explain how, wouldn't it?

pj
chgo
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Pj,

Your quips are frequent over time. You thump a guy in the ear enough and he'll get tired of it. Do you get that?

Your problem is that you are a Math man and mathematics cannot effectively convey a description for the 2 CTE perceptions that just happen to work for the zillion shots on a regulation table. Fortunately, those perceptions can be conveyed through language and I have done so and quite well. You have made no real effort in understanding CTE perception.

I have nothing against math but pool is a visual and physical game and for once your MATH is stumped with CTE perception. That shouldn't be a concern for you. Surely you can accept that Visual Intelligence is going to carry more weight for playing this game than Math ever could. The same goes for physical intelligence......Math is in the back seat.

Stan Shuffett
 
Math ?

'Mathematics' is a man made 'science' created by man to explain the realities of the real sciences of this world.

Take them to another world & they may not even be applicable. I know we live in this world & not some other world.

It is just a statement to reflect upon.

No offense meant to anyone. Mathematics certainly has it's place & who knows where we would be without it. However, there are some things that mathematics has not yet put a formula on. Things such as Human compassion, true love, hate, predudice, friendship, etc. Perhaps the Human mind's perception is another one.

My nickel's worth,
Rick
 
ENGLISH! said:
'Mathematics' is a man made 'science' created by man to explain the realities of the real sciences of this world.

Take them to another world & they may not even be applicable. I know we live in this world & not some other world.

It is just a statement to reflect upon.

No offense meant to anyone. Mathematics certainly has it's place & who knows where we would be without it. However, there are some things that mathematics has not yet put a formula on. Things such as Human compassion, true love, hate, predudice, friendship, etc. Perhaps the Human mind's perception is another one.

My nickel's worth,
Rick
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Rick, Your post is just fine and I basically agree with what you say. In fact, you reaffirmed my point in your last paragraph.
Thanks,
Stan Shuffett
 
This is a testimonial, unsolicited and free

I was playing a great pro the other day, (name withheld but he has won some us open's etc etc), and he started asking me how i was so accurate.
I explained that i am using CTE from Stan, and this player wanted me to explain the system to him. !!

Here is the problem..... I don't want this other pro to know the system because he is already too good !! I know this is selfish of me, but i am being honest about it at least, right ?

If you are not already running 100's plus in straight pool, (and i do), then do yourself a favor, and get Stan's DVD and work your ass off. I don't mean spend 30 minutes and give up, I mean put in some serious hours working on it, and your playing speed will increase.

A private note to Stan : please don't sell anymore DVD's , as i want to be the only player that knows this stuff !!!! LOL


Good luck to all, and remember to enjoy your time with pool !
 
stan shuffett said:
Your quips are frequent over time.
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My observations about systems (CTE is only one of them) almost always include a compliment for the parts I see as valuable.

Your problem is that you are a Math man and mathematics cannot effectively convey a description for the 2 CTE perceptions that just happen to work for the zillion shots on a regulation table.
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My questions about pivots aren't about "math"; they're about common sense.

Fortunately, those perceptions can be conveyed through language and I have done so and quite well. You have made no real effort in understanding CTE perception.
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Yeah, I know, I haven't bought your DVD, so I shouldn't comment on your system here on this discussion forum. If no unorthodox views are to be tolerated, then AzB should be charging you for the advertising space.

pj
chgo
 
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