CTE experiment, with civil discussion

[dr_dave]

The procedure eezbank demonstrated is one version of CTE (taught to him by Hal Houle). The other common CTE version (also from Hal Houle), as listed on Spidey's blog, involves alignment along a line parallel to the center-to-edge line. Both of these procedures are summarized on my CTE resource page, along with links to Spidey's blog for more info for the second version. Stan's version (PRO ONE) is apparently based on the second CTE version, but I have not seen a written description of how PRO ONE is different. Hopefully, Stan's video will make this clear, so it can be discussed openly.

Your initial alignment or your effective pivot length must be off for the shots you are missing (see my CTE resource page for more info).

Thank you for that Dave, but I don't think you fully understood my question.

As I posted earlier, I recently worked with CTE on my own until I now feel that I have a basic understanding as to how it works.

Which version are you using, and how does it work?

Prior to that, however, I viewed eezbank's video, and read your instructions, and couldn't grasp the right concept from either of them, so I don't know how you could possibly call those "very easy" instructions.

The instructions might not help you "grasp the right concept," but they are clear and "easy" to follow. I didn't mean to imply the instructions would result in pocketing balls for a wide range of shots if they were followed precisely. But I get your point ... what good is a set of detailed instructions if they don't work?

Now you're telling me that my "initial alignment" or my "effective pivot length" must be off, which just bolsters the argument that CTE is NOT an easy system to teach or to learn. (Or maybe bolsters the argument that I am just plain stupid!)

I didn't mean to imply that it is easy to get this stuff right. It does seem to come naturally to some people, but not to others. I guess some of us just don't have enough "visual intelligence" or "subconscious-adjustment" abilities. Maybe we can start a new support group. I'll start things off:

Hi, my name is Dave. I am visually stupid, subconsciously brain-dead, and CTE-challenged.​

Regards,
Dave

 

[AtLarge]

... I have not seen a written description of how PRO ONE is different. ...

Stan gave us one.

Basic CTE involves pivoting from left to right on some shots and right to left on other shots. In post #43 of this thread, Stan said: "Constant left to right pivoting for right-handed players is the major variation of PRO ONE from Hal’s method of CTE. For lefties, the pivot would always be from right to left."

 

[dr_dave]

Stan gave us one.

Basic CTE involves pivoting from left to right on some shots and right to left on other shots. In post #43 of this thread, Stan said: "Constant left to right pivoting for right-handed players is the major variation of PRO ONE from Hal’s method of CTE. For lefties, the pivot would always be from right to left."

Thank you, but if the pivot is different, the initial alignments must be different also. I guess we'll have to wait for Stan's video before the full detailed procedure is clear and understood. Regardless, it is still an align-and-pivot system (like the other versions of CTE and 90/90). The key is to get the initial alignment and effective pivot length just right for the amount of cut needed for a particular shot. I look forward to seeing how Stan deals with these issues on his DVD.

Regards,
Dave

 

[cookie man]

Thank you, but if the pivot is different, the initial alignments must be different also. I guess we'll have to wait for Stan's video before the full detailed procedure is clear and understood. Regardless, it is still an align-and-pivot system (like the other versions of CTE and 90/90). The key is to get the initial alignment and effective pivot length just right for the amount of cut needed for a particular shot. I look forward to seeing how Stan deals with these issues on his DVD.

Regards,
Dave

You should stay in your support group until the video comes out. lol.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

IMHO there is a lot to say good about CTE, I continue to try & get a better grasp of CTE, but will say as something positive about my personal CTE experience. I have been making shots in the last week with CTE at a high success ball in the pocket rate,:yikes: that using what I was using before CTE had a much low percentage of ball in the pocket rate!:smile-us-down:

There is so much information on CTE on the NET FOR FREE, all you need do is Google, Read, and Practice, Practice, Practice, Practice, Practice, and see if CTE works for you!!!

 

[Koop]

IMHO there is a lot to say good about CTE, I continue to try & get a better grasp of CTE, but will say as something positive about my personal CTE experience. I have been making shots in the last week with CTE at a high success ball in the pocket rate,:yikes: that using what I was using before CTE had a much low percentage of ball in the pocket rate!:smile-us-down:

There is so much information on CTE on the NET FOR FREE, all you need do is Google, Read, and Practice, Practice, Practice, Practice, Practice, and see if CTE works for you!!!

Bruce,

With all due respect...why can't you type in normal font without all the emoticons? It makes you look like a clown and makes me not want to read what you have written.

Regards,
Koop

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Bruce,

With all due respect...why can't you type in normal font without all the emoticons? It makes you look like a clown and makes me not want to read what you have written.

Regards,
Koop

Because I think it looks Cool.

But just for you I will do this:

IMHO there is a lot to say good about CTE, I continue to try & get a better grasp of CTE, but will say as something positive about my personal CTE experience. I have been making shots in the last week with CTE at a high success ball in the pocket rate, that using what I was using before CTE had a much low percentage of ball in the pocket rate!

There is so much information on CTE on the NET FOR FREE, all you need do is Google, Read, and Practice, Practice, Practice, Practice, Practice, and see if CTE works for you!!!

 

[Koop]

Because I think it looks Cool.

But just for you I will do this:

IMHO there is a lot to say good about CTE, I continue to try & get a better grasp of CTE, but will say as something positive about my personal CTE experience. I have been making shots in the last week with CTE at a high success ball in the pocket rate, that using what I was using before CTE had a much low percentage of ball in the pocket rate!

There is so much information on CTE on the NET FOR FREE, all you need do is Google, Read, and Practice, Practice, Practice, Practice, Practice, and see if CTE works for you!!!

See...I read that

 

[lfigueroa]

And this, my friends, is the thread that is a "civil" discussion.

oh, this is nothing. Just me and John joshing.

The last time I really riled him up he sent me an email that in one short sentence used the F-bomb as a verb, adjective, and noun

Lou Figueroa

 

[justadub]

oh, this is nothing. Just me and John joshing.

The last time I really riled him up he sent me an email that in one short sentence used the F-bomb as a verb, adjective, and noun

Lou Figueroa

I don't doubt that at all. I have friends who I have "discussions" like this with regularly.

(Of course, anyone new to the forums coming into the thread might not quite "get" that and wonder what the heck they fell into....)

I'm not sure if I've ever had the f-bomb delivered quite like you described. At least not so grammatically diverse. That must've been quite the "discussion"!

 

[dr_dave]

You should stay in your support group until the video comes out. lol.

That's the best advice I've ever seen you provide. I have been wasting way too much time on AZB lately. I look forward to seeing the full glory of CTE/PRO-ONE on Stan's DVD. I sure hope it is good and answers all of the important questions clearly, because all of this hype sure is raising the bar quite high.

Regards,
Dave

 

[stan shuffett]

That's the best advice I've ever seen you provide. I have been wasting way too much time on AZB lately. I look forward to seeing the full glory of CTE/PRO-ONE on Stan's DVD. I sure hope it is good and answers all of the important questions clearly, because all of this hype sure is raising the bar quite high.

Regards,
Dave

Thanks, Dave. I accept that the bar should be quite high. CTE will be defined clearly with concise language. The diagrams will be exact. PRO ONE will be the Ultimate variation of the system.
I want a quite high bar!!
Stan

 

[dr_dave]

Thanks, Dave. I accept that the bar should be quite high. CTE will be defined clearly with concise language. The diagrams will be exact. PRO ONE will be the Ultimate variation of the system.
I want a quite high bar!!
Stan

I look forward to seeing it. I'm sure it will be top-notch material. When will the DVD be released?

Regards,
Dave

 

[stan shuffett]

I look forward to seeing it. I'm sure it will be top-notch material. When will the DVD be released?

Regards,
Dave

There is a team involved. ASAP........I am ready to move.

This is a first for me....videoing and all.

Stan

 

[Roger Long]

IMHO there is a lot to say good about CTE, I continue to try & get a better grasp of CTE, but will say as something positive about my personal CTE experience. I have been making shots in the last week with CTE at a high success ball in the pocket rate, that using what I was using before CTE had a much low percentage of ball in the pocket rate!

There is so much information on CTE on the NET FOR FREE, all you need do is Google, Read, and Practice, Practice, Practice, Practice, Practice, and see if CTE works for you!!!

Cowboy:

Apparently you didn't see my earlier post asking you to explain CTE in layman's terms, or else you just ignored it. Either way, forget that request because I now have a couple of new questions for you:

1. You say you are "making shots in the last week with CTE at a high success ball in the pocket rate." What, exactly, would that rate be? What was it before?

2. You also said, "all you need do is Google, Read, and Practice, Practice, Practice, Practice, Practice." Couldn't you do the same thing with any other aiming system and be just as successful?

Roger