I'm fucing wasged right now, but if cocobolo cowboy endorses an ANYTHING, u know you should run away from it as fast as possible! olololol
CTE Marketing
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Four that are well known and highly active. And have been for more than 20 years.
That's 20 years of building tours, creating pool schools, writing articles, and of course winning titles.
CTE does not need to be "spun" into a phenomena. It's really a simple concept.
Basically Hal's and his methods have been around for a long time. Longer than the internet. They haven't been published in a book, diagrammed, or set down in video until now. But they have been out there long enough for instructors to learn them and figure out whether they were worth teaching or not.
If it were only CTE "users" touting how "great" CTE is then I'd agree with you.
But it's not. It's qualified instructors who don't NEED CTE to have good solid businesses. People who ARE good players, great players even. People who have truly done a lot for pool outside of their instructing.
So, you can't take that away from them. I won't allow you to denigrate those people by saying things like "just four people". These four people have touched more players personally with their endeavors than you could in five lifetimes of your present activity.
If we are going to compare apples to apples then you and Lou are nothing compared to these people in terms of what your contributions to pool are.
So it means something to me that these guys are willing to back this aiming system. You act like they are trying to get rich off this. The last thing in the world these guys would do is something that is harmful to a person's pool game. If they didn't think that CTE improves a person's game or that it's valid then they wouldn't touch it.
So keep up the attempts to belittle the INSTRUCTORS who teach CTE. If that makes you and Lou feel good to stand in opposition just because then do so. But just know that I am going to stand up and let you know that in comparison to them, when we talk about ACCOMPLISHMENTS in pool, you have nothing but your opinion to put up against them.
In all the yers ive been plalign pool, ive never head of one player talke about aiming. aiming systems are a "sylber bullet" of hope for wannabe players. tahst the truth. sure, there are exceptions, and im sure some champas use aiming syystmes, but 90 % of the real players play by feel and memory. and dont even tell me u need to hit i millino balls. thats bull. players that are gonna be A palyesrs become that speed in justa a few hsort years. the wannabes, will neveer be A playesr, and hang onto htis aiming bullshit for hope!
I stink and dont go for this aiming stuff, cuasi i know ill never be a player. aming wont make a nono-player into a player. neve never never never gonan happent!!!
I stink and dont go for this aiming stuff, cuasi i know ill never be a player. aming wont make a nono-player into a player. neve never never never gonan happent!!!
frinesds, i spek the truth. alcohl always brings the truth out. if youre not A speed in 5 yrs , just conced you never will be. its the truth. dont buy all hte bs aiming systmes. wont make a sht of differnect. youll never be a player.
So, Bruce collected billiard supplies to outfit the local Boys and Girls clubs in his area with proper equipment and rule books.....does that mean we should all run away from doing the same to promote pool?
Bruce help the veterans in his area with donations and clerical support when they apply for benefits. Should we run away from helping our military veterans?
Bruce endorses Dennis Swift cases, our cases and many cue makers, should we not buy from those suppliers?
I am frankly really tired of the high school clique bashing that goes on around here. Bruce is human being like all of us and he has done more for pool than most of us.
And he is my number one groupie so don't jack with my fans
Seriously, don't be a hater.
dont u know not to arge with a drunk? u must love to hear yourself speak. all u do is write 5 page artiticls on anyting and everything that gest posted here. damn, thats dedication ill tell u.
Who is arguing? I was making a point. I don't care if you are a drunk. Being drunk doesn't make you a drunk. "in vino vitrus" - in wine is the truth only applies to what is in a person's thoughts not that what they speak while drunk is the truth, only is their true thoughts on a matter.
And throughout history people have used this to lead others in the wrong direction as anyone who thinks a person can't lie when drunk is an idiot.
Everyone knows that there is no magic to becoming an A player except work.
But I guarantee you that if you and I had the SAME level of talent starting out but I had Buddy Hall coaching me and you had no one then I'd be an A-player in a few years and I'd keep you broke.
Conversely if I learn a super "system" for aiming, banking, kicking, etc and work with it until it's tight in my game then I am going to get better at those things faster than you are. Even science will tell you that.
Drunks and babies are innocent - and ignorant.
Well....It can't be marketing....because marketing is not allowed on his forum......
I got a chuckle from your bolded part.
I used to work in the Direct Marketing Industry....(aka Infomercials)....I was an account rep and worked with Inventors (and/or thier hired "consultants"). I reviewed thier marketing content (infomercial) and also reviewed and often re-wrote sales scripts that the CSR's used when some sucke.....er I mean customer called in to buy whatever was being advertised on TV....
I have seen the full spectrum from great ideas/products to some of the most rediculous products I have ever seen....Sometimes it actually amazed me when I saw that more than one person actually called in......
(Little Giant Ladder was da nuts)
Anyway....what I was getting at....the bolded part of your quote reminded me of something that always made me laugh when reviewing any infomercial that was some kind of pill or drink mix for weight loss and or proper digestive function....
Always always always in the advertisement (and on the bottle) for these products...there is always a phrase that appears or is heard somewhere........"when taken with proper exercise and/or diet"
It is amzing that phrases like that are necessary to avoid fraud claims.....but they are....Otherwise you will get the morons that say..."Hey I took the pill but I did not lose any weight....what gives"????..........Uh....what gives (out) is your pants from your fat arse because you eat 4 big macs topped with a chocolate shake...and you would not think about missing out on the fries.......supersized of course.....and then you "work it off" by playing some football for 4 hours....as your layed back in your video game reclyner....(that is broken due to the weight capacity being surpassed)
People are smart.....society is stupid.
What was even more funny is that your probably did not even need the pill.....just the "diet and exercise"
Thanks for the laugh...
lol. And don't forget the "must try it with an open mind and truly want to learn it" disclaimer. Recently, Joey has been informing us that the DVD may not stand on its own and that players might have to avail themselves of personal tutelage to understand (but not necessarily succeed with) the system.
Lou Figueroa
One, two, three, four. Like I said: a few guys. And that's not spinning anything into a negative, it is just putting a pin in your inflated description and bringing it back down to earth. A few guys, here and there, trying to sell their branded version of an obscure and questionable aiming system.
Lou Figueroa
seriously, this tool s back?
I don't understand how you get away with this -- absolutely no substance, no reply to his points, not even a funny, just a purely personal attack.
Lou Figueroa
seriously, this tool s back?
This is your warning as well.
Re-familliarize yourself with the forum rules.
I think this conclusion from the article gives a clear picture of Roger Long's ability to evaluate aiming systems.
Robert
LOL. What planet are you from today? Saying four people are four people isn't "denigrating", John. It's counting.
pj
chgo
Really, who can deny that this is a PERFECTLY accurate characterization. And it doesn't say anything BAD--CTE may be the greatest thing ever; everything has to start somewhere. But it's really bizarre that JB can't resist claiming that CTE is now TAKING OVER THE WORLD as we speak
Maybe it will. But AT THE MOMENT, it's just a small group of people who think it's really good, and a few are selling it and trying to promote it. That's just an accurate description of what's going on.
I got what what you said and am pretty sure I understand exactly your intention for saying just like you said it. And I repeat that those "few" guys are head and shoulders above most in the industry.
You can try to play down their accomplishments if you like but you can't take those accomplishments away.
Every one of those guys does more for pool every day than you do and they have done more for pool throughout their long careers than you are ever likely to do.
CTE is currently obscure for the moment. It's not questionable to me though because I use it and it works. Beyond that the validation for me is that many top instructors are teaching it. People who have nothing to gain by teaching something that is "questionable" and far more to lose by having unsatisfied students/customers.
So you can act these guys are just some random bums calling themselves instructors if that makes you feel better about your position. But you know it's not true. All of those guys are well known in the billiard industry.
So it's not the quantity of instructors teaching CTE right now, it's the quality, and the quality of the instructors teaching CTE right now is definitely not in question, and they are not obscure in the least.
CTE works whether you think it does or not and it will continue to be taught no matter how many pins you try to stick in it.
Really, who can deny that this is a PERFECTLY accurate characterization. And it doesn't say anything BAD--CTE may be the greatest thing ever; everything has to start somewhere. But it's really bizarre that JB can't resist claiming that CTE is now TAKING OVER THE WORLD as we speak
Maybe it will. But AT THE MOMENT, it's just a small group of people who think it's really good, and a few are selling it and trying to promote it. That's just an accurate description of what's going on.
You're funny. I didn't say Lou said anything bad. I merely made sure that people understand that the instructors who are teaching CTE are not just some random unknown people.
To use your lofty parlance, they are the Nobel laureates of the pool world. The students of the game who have made instructing their career.
Lou's description is accurate but, I believe, intentionally sparse. Kind of like saying that Einstein was just a guy who was a little better at math.
I am just providing the background.
Two national champions. One coach to the pros. One inventor/instructor.
150 years of combined experience in billiards.
Just a touch more than simply "a few guys".
Sorry that it bugs you and you have to then turn around and over-dramatize my point.
Obviously, you have no clue what my "intentions" were. And, I said nothing of their accomplishments -- I merely did the math for you: four guys.
But, if you were to walk into most pool halls: your titans probably wouldn't merit a mention by most pool players because they've never heard of them. It's like asking them who the the best pool player ever was -- a lot of guys are going to say Minnesota Fats and Jeanette Lee because those are the only names they know. It''s not about who has done more for pool and no one, except you, has called them "random bums." Its about a few guys out there, selling their branded version of a questionable aiming system. Not much more.
Lastly, you keep saying CTE works, but can't prove it. (I know it's killing you, lol) and I fully expect to hear more stories about non-English speaking Chinese girls, dogs, and hamsters learning and succeeding after a 30 second lesson. Go fer it
Lou Figueroa
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Obviously, you have no clue what my "intentions" were. And, I said nothing of their accomplishments -- I merely did the math for you: four guys.
But, if you were to walk into most pool halls: your titans probably wouldn't merit a mention by most pool players because they've never heard of them. It's like asking them who the the best pool player ever was -- a lot of guys are going to say Minnesota Fats and Jeanette Lee because those are the only names they know. It''s not about who has done more for pool and no one, except you, has called them "random bums." Its about a few guys out there, selling their branded version of a questionable aiming system. Not much more.
Lastly, you keep saying CTE works, but can't prove it. (I know it's killing you, lol) and I fully expect to hear more stories about non-English speaking Chinese girls, dogs, and hamsters learning and succeeding after a 30 second lesson. Go fer it
Lou Figueroa
Four guys that you know of. It is about who has done more for pool.
I can prove CTE works. The proof lies in the fact that well known instructors who have contributed tons to the game in their careers are now teaching CTE.
On a personal level I know it works. I use it successfully and am able to play with and have fun with better players because of it.
On a higher level I "know" it works because several top level instructors are now teaching it. People who don't HAVE to teach it in order to be successful in their careers as billiard instructors and coaches. People who have taught thousands of others in their long careers. People who have more to lose than to gain if they teach something that doesn't work.
That's all the validation I need.
You're right Lou, I don't know your intentions, I am guessing at them. So why do you want to downplay the accomplishments and risk to reputation of Scott Lee, Randy Goetlicher, Stan Shuffet and Tom Simpson?
Are you saying that these four guys are nobodies in pool? Are you saying that you are a better judge of what works and what doesn't than any of them are?
Tell us what your intentions are. I mean beyond "doing the math".
And CTE works. Whether you believe it does or does not is inconsequential. You are a nobody in pool. Or as Carmen said, "a super nobody". And I am super nobody. What you think and what I think about CTE is of zero consequence.
However what those "four guys" think.... that has weight. Because whether you like it or not those four guys have decided that CTE works and is worth teaching. And those four guys will continue to teach it no matter how much you try to pooh-pooh CTE and their status.
You can't beat me here Lou and you have yet to prove that you can beat me on the table. So if you want to use pool hall knowledge as a barometer, I am still up on you and you have yet to beat the clown in the tin-foil hat. If I were you I wouldn't be counting my money just yet. It's going to just kill you if I manage to beat you out of money playing one pocket dead even. Hell, come SBE next year I might just spot you a ball for the hell of it.
CTE works.
I just can't believe we still have people making statements about things they do not have full knowledge of, especially when they are presented in the manner that this article was on the front page of the web site. Why continue to bash CTE without any real knowledge of it, especially when Stan's DVD is ready to come out, and people should be able to really see for themselves if it works or not. I don't know for sure if it works as advertised, but I know that some initial attempts at using it from the info I have read so far gave promising results, so I will hold my judgements until I can get the necessary info to make a well informed judgement.
Any news on the DVD arrivel date?
Any news on the DVD arrivel date?
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