Wrong about grip.
Besides the eyes the game is in the grip.
Simplified but true.
Stan Shuffett
CTE PRO 1: My review.
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Wrong about grip.
Besides the eyes the game is in the grip.
Simplified but true.
Stan Shuffett
Okay, I will chime in here. I have just started with CTE. I was a "naysayer" at first when someone mentioned a "system". See I was a good ball pocketer to start with (grew up playing snooker) so I didn't think I needed a system and that "ghost ball" or "contact point" was fine. And for the most part they were. Where I looked at CTE was to try and find a consistent method to help me over come what could be considered as the difficult shots.
Like most, at first CTE seemed like a foreign language but I forced myself to give it an honest try. This meant possibly taking a step back with ball pocketing as well as letting go of my previous way of aiming. It was not easy and it is not a quick fix method for sure. But I took the time and when the "light went off" and I saw what Stan is teaching I have never pocketed balls like that. Now no shot is harder than any other on the table and I don't even have to concern myself where the pocket is. Simply establish the visuals and sweep/pivot and the ball goes in. Of course as it has been said before your stroke is important as well but my mechanics were pretty solid to begin with (always room for improvement though).
Lastly one of the best benefits, which goes unmentioned quite a bit, is that CTE has me locked into a much better, more consistent, pre-shot routine. This in turn has virtually illiminated me "dogging" easy shots.
I understand they nay-sayers as I was one of them but if given an honest effort, because CTE does take some effort, you will find that it is an excellent way to aim. If you are happy with your game the way it is and are comfortable with your method of aim then all the power too you. CTE is simply another way to aim, just like "ghost ball", "object point" etc. I just happen to at this point believe it may be the best way to aim.
Good shootin.....
Like most, at first CTE seemed like a foreign language but I forced myself to give it an honest try. This meant possibly taking a step back with ball pocketing as well as letting go of my previous way of aiming. It was not easy and it is not a quick fix method for sure. But I took the time and when the "light went off" and I saw what Stan is teaching I have never pocketed balls like that. Now no shot is harder than any other on the table and I don't even have to concern myself where the pocket is. Simply establish the visuals and sweep/pivot and the ball goes in. Of course as it has been said before your stroke is important as well but my mechanics were pretty solid to begin with (always room for improvement though).
Lastly one of the best benefits, which goes unmentioned quite a bit, is that CTE has me locked into a much better, more consistent, pre-shot routine. This in turn has virtually illiminated me "dogging" easy shots.
I understand they nay-sayers as I was one of them but if given an honest effort, because CTE does take some effort, you will find that it is an excellent way to aim. If you are happy with your game the way it is and are comfortable with your method of aim then all the power too you. CTE is simply another way to aim, just like "ghost ball", "object point" etc. I just happen to at this point believe it may be the best way to aim.
Good shootin.....
Grip is extremely critical. No doubt about that. I just don't see people saying "The instructor showed me a new grip and I just can't understand it." Tough to change old habits though, that much is for sure
Grip is extremely critical. No doubt about that. I just don't see people saying "The instructor showed me a new grip and I just can't understand it." Tough to change old habits though, that much is for sure
Perhaps the instructor did not understand grip....which is most likely the case.
Stan Shuffett
Okay, I will chime in here. I have just started with CTE. I was a "naysayer" at first when someone mentioned a "system". See I was a good ball pocketer to start with (grew up playing snooker) so I didn't think I needed a system and that "ghost ball" or "contact point" was fine. And for the most part they were. Where I looked at CTE was to try and find a consistent method to help me over come what could be considered as the difficult shots.
Like most, at first CTE seemed like a foreign language but I forced myself to give it an honest try. This meant possibly taking a step back with ball pocketing as well as letting go of my previous way of aiming. It was not easy and it is not a quick fix method for sure. But I took the time and when the "light went off" and I saw what Stan is teaching I have never pocketed balls like that. Now no shot is harder than any other on the table and I don't even have to concern myself where the pocket is. Simply establish the visuals and sweep/pivot and the ball goes in. Of course as it has been said before your stroke is important as well but my mechanics were pretty solid to begin with (always room for improvement though).
Lastly one of the best benefits, which goes unmentioned quite a bit, is that CTE has me locked into a much better, more consistent, pre-shot routine. This in turn has virtually illiminated me "dogging" easy shots.
I understand they nay-sayers as I was one of them but if given an honest effort, because CTE does take some effort, you will find that it is an excellent way to aim. If you are happy with your game the way it is and are comfortable with your method of aim then all the power too you. CTE is simply another way to aim, just like "ghost ball", "object point" etc. I just happen to at this point believe it may be the best way to aim.
Good shootin.....
So since no shot is harder than another I guess that means you make a long thin cut the same as a 1 ft straight in shot ,, ya ok
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CTE /Pro one is much easier to learn than feel. I'd be very interested in seeing you explain feel so simply that someone who had never played pool in their life could be routinely running racks in 3 months. I can't think of any concept easier to understand than CTE. It's the only system that has objective aiming points.
Every person takes the limits of their own field of vision for the limits of the world.
~ Schopenhauer
~ Schopenhauer
Prove the objective aiming points. Take a picture of a shot, go and point to these objective aiming points.
Point to the spot on the CB and OB that any person can see.
Stan I tried to keep this post as honest as possible. First you are welcome if it was sincere and not sarcastic.
Analytic would be a top five descriptive words I would use to describe myself. Honest, quickwitted,,,PITA might be a few others.
I truly do think a laser may help....Do you have enough of an open mind to think maybe???
I haven't given up only set it aside for now. Awaiting a decision / commitment on my part to seek out a good instructor and spend the time and money.
Congratulations to you if you have invented new ways to make teaching grip(s) more confusing and difficult to explain or understand for people :thumbup:
Are you kidding? Watch the DVD again. It clearly states more than once instances of lining up by feel and by experience.
I've quoted the exact words in another thread in the aiming forum previously.
You can get it and I will assist you if at all possible. Once you do grasp CTE and begin a professional approach to the game........you won't regret it.
I was sincere in my thanks. Many will not admitt their lack of significant effort.
Stan Shuffett
One easily lines up into proper stance with real CTE. You are likely a target shooter. Pool is not about target shooting. That concept is the downfall of many......
Stan Shuffett
I'm sorry it's beyond your comprehension. Perhaps you need to watch the DVD a few more times. I'm still waiting for you to explain aiming by feel. According to you it must be simple to explain.
I am sure that you must be a great grip technician. I'd say that all you know about grip,instruction-wise, could fit on 1 line.
Yup, give'em one line of grip info and they'd be good to go.
Stan Shuffett
Duckie, the 15 and 30 degree perceptions are easy with some experience. Once you find CTE, A or B just pop in (depending upon whether you're looking for a 15 or a 30 degree perception). At this point, for those two perceptions, I have found the importance A or B points provide, once I've established CTE, is to differentiate between 15 or 30. No question, the 45 and 60 degree perceptions are somewhat subjective. However, with some recognition practice, they become rather easy to recognize and make hitting these thinner cuts much easier than any other method I've tried.
Duckie, the funny thing is, I think you're a reasonably smart guy with a trend towards an analytical mind. I'll bet if you spent a couple of days with Stan learning CTE/Pro One, you'd like it. You have a system you like, it's just a different system. If it works for you, I happen to think that's great and you should keep using it. Believe it or not, I employ some ghost ball type techniques at times when I'm trying to figure out which perception to use, especially with the thinner cuts. I don't know but I suspect the more skilled and CTE/Pro One proficient players probably don't need to do this.
I will give you a hint into shooting by feel.It starts out as one of the strongest sighting positions on the table. You know what it is ???
I was a feel aim person for a long time.Around 5 years into playing never once did I look at a contact point And already achieved a 5 pack on the big table.Lucky I know but i didn't once look at the contact point.
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Call us when it is an 8 pack
I will give you a hint into shooting by feel.It starts out as one of the strongest sighting positions on the table. You know what it is ???
Around 5 years into playing never once did I look at a contact point And already achieved a 5 pack on the big table.Lucky I know but i didn't once look at the contact point.
Almost there my friend..Call us when it is an 8 pack
All the arguing is really silly when you sit back and look at it. We all get caught up here on the forums but I bet face to face people would probably get along fine - we all love this stupid game after all.
CTE/Pro One is not for everyone but statements like it doesn't work or it is a sugar pill (good one) are what people get offended by - Stan has dedicated a large amount of his time into this and it is complete and it works as described.
Nobody has been able to show one shot that does't go with CTE. I am talking shots that would normally go with any other method of shooting.
It isn't religion but people are passionate about it because of the time they put in - I am one such person. I have connected with it and shoot every shot this way now. To the observer you cannot tell I am using any system.
It is obvious that many posters in this thread and others wish to do nothing more than stir up trouble - if you do not wish to learn try not to derail those that do.
Keep in mind solid mechanics are still needed - it is an aiming system, not a magic SVB pill.
BTW - I would love to hear more about the system you use also.
CTE/Pro One is not for everyone but statements like it doesn't work or it is a sugar pill (good one) are what people get offended by - Stan has dedicated a large amount of his time into this and it is complete and it works as described.
Nobody has been able to show one shot that does't go with CTE. I am talking shots that would normally go with any other method of shooting.
It isn't religion but people are passionate about it because of the time they put in - I am one such person. I have connected with it and shoot every shot this way now. To the observer you cannot tell I am using any system.
It is obvious that many posters in this thread and others wish to do nothing more than stir up trouble - if you do not wish to learn try not to derail those that do.
Keep in mind solid mechanics are still needed - it is an aiming system, not a magic SVB pill.
BTW - I would love to hear more about the system you use also.