CTE PRO 1: My review.

[bdorman]

A question for those who have mastered CTE/ProOne:

When learning the basics, do you recommend learning the manual pivot first or going directly to visual sweeps?

I've been trying to learn via the manual pivot because I figure that version has an objective reference point of my bridge hand (and "v") on the table. It seems like visual sweeps incorporate the pivot while the cue is "in the air" which might be a bridge too far (excuse the pun) for me right now.

My hang-up is determining the line to come down on based on CTE and ETA/B/C perceptions.

Also, in your answer please consider than I'm not a "feel" player. I like systems and reference points if that makes any difference in which method I should try to learn first.

Thanks.

 

[Gerry Williams]

Sent you a PM so we don't hog the Main Forum

A question for those who have mastered CTE/ProOne:

When learning the basics, do you recommend learning the manual pivot first or going directly to visual sweeps?

I've been trying to learn via the manual pivot because I figure that version has an objective reference point of my bridge hand (and "v") on the table. It seems like visual sweeps incorporate the pivot while the cue is "in the air" which might be a bridge too far (excuse the pun) for me right now.

My hang-up is determining the line to come down on based on CTE and ETA/B/C perceptions.

Also, in your answer please consider than I'm not a "feel" player. I like systems and reference points if that makes any difference in which method I should try to learn first.

Thanks.

 

[Banks]

Sure, at the core of real CTE are 2 perceptions, the 15 and the 30.
Those 2 perceptions are unique but can be easily learned in 1 day.
Those 2 perceptions when followed by a slight but natural rotation to CCB make every shot on a regulation table somewhere and most of the time where you want it.

So are you saying that it doesn't work for 1P?

 

[stan shuffett]

So are you saying that it doesn't work for 1P?

Not at all...... CTE is great for 1 p.

Stan Shuffett

 

[BRussell]

You need to be more specific than that.

If you are seriously interested I will help you.

How much time have you spent on the concepts (visuals/sweeps) and the reference shots in the DVD? Explain the process you went through with the DVD.

We can do this via PM if you prefer - entirely up to you.

Gerry

Very little, I just didn't know where to start. I watched the DVD and printed out a bunch of sheets, but I felt lost almost immediately. If you're willing, my league season is over in two weeks and that's always a good time for me to practice new things.

 

[Chadk]

I got the (first?) DVD maybe a year ago, and I guess I just don't understand it. It doesn't seem to explain how to do what you're supposed to do. I'd like to go back to trying it - maybe someone can give me a suggestion of how to approach it differently, or how to understand it or get additional explanatory information.

i basically thought the same thing.

 

[Banks]

Has there been a single testimony by anybody that could show measurable improvement? I mean, has there been an APA 4 that's been stuck at that for 10 years, suddenly improve to an APA 6 after a few months of learning this? All I've ever heard is a ghost theory.. "prove it doesn't work". Barton practiced it for years, improving 2 balls every 6 months and his high run was 5 balls in 15 games of 1P. I want to hear something more than a sales pitch.

 

[sjb]

With the curtain the only objective points are the balls since you cannot see the pocket. If Stan was trying to shoot those by feel he would be trying to guess where the pocket is exactly.

Pro One the target is centre cue ball once the visuals have been locked in.

Shooting under the curtain is fun - I have spent time at Stan's place doing this - nailed em too for the most part. Could probably win a lot of money this way

I generally stay far away from these aiming threads, but couldn't help myself when I read the statement above that's bolded.

The balls are most certainly not the only objective points in the curtain demonstration. Every part of table not covered by the curtain is an objective reference point. The rails, the pockets not covered, the footspot, and familiarity with the room, table and general orientation of things all serve as reference points, whether consciously or subconsiously. There is simply no way to aim a ball at a pocket with only the balls as objective points of reference.

Having said that, my intention is not to bash any aiming system, whether it be CTE/ProOne or anything else. If something works for a particular person, then more power to them. It's all about alignment, stroke, and consistency.

 

[stan shuffett]

I generally stay far away from these aiming threads, but couldn't help myself when I read the statement above that's bolded.

The balls are most certainly not the only objective points in the curtain demonstration. Every part of table not covered by the curtain is an objective reference point. The rails, the pockets not covered, the footspot, and familiarity with the room, table and general orientation of things all serve as reference points, whether consciously or subconsiously. There is simply no way to aim a ball at a pocket with only the balls as objective points of reference.

Having said that, my intention is not to bash any aiming system, whether it be CTE/ProOne or anything else. If something works for a particular person, then more power to them. It's all about alignment, stroke, and consistency.

I just responded to this concern in the AIMING FORUM. See A CTE QUESTION.

Stan Shuffett

 

[8pack]

With the curtain the only objective points are the balls since you cannot see the pocket. If Stan was trying to shoot those by feel he would be trying to guess where the pocket is exactly.

Pro One the target is centre cue ball once the visuals have been locked in.

Shooting under the curtain is fun - I have spent time at Stan's place doing this - nailed em too for the most part. Could probably win a lot of money this way [/QUOTE

If at anytime you or Stan come through Missouri let me know. We can bet high! I will let either one of get really familiar with the table . Then we'll put up a curtain ,roll the balls and let them come to rest. (Behind the curtain)Call your shot pal. The truth will be in the outcome .

 

[Banks]

Has there been a single testimony by anybody that could show measurable improvement? I mean, has there been an APA 4 that's been stuck at that for 10 years, suddenly improve to an APA 6 after a few months of learning this?

I'll take that as a NO. :shakehead:

 

[Big C]

More on the DVD2.

I have been reading the replies and I wanted to elaborate on a few things concerning the quality of content in the DVD's. I have never seen DVD1, so I can't comment about that. What I can say about DVD2 is that it was easy for me to understand the concepts and quickly put them into practice. Stan clearly explains and vividly demonstrates all of the concepts, perceptions, sweeps and example shots. He even went so far as to create support videos on youtube that are free to anyone.
When I say that it was easy to understand and put into practice, that doesn't mean it was easy. I had to work at it and overcome some doubt and frustration. But it has been well worth it and it will continue to be as I strive to become a master of this system. I know from Randy G's school that when learning, you have to empty your cup...empty your mind of past knowledge and old habits. Don't let what you "know" get in the way of learning something new. "It's what we learn after we know it all that counts." -John Wooden.
Thanks again Stan for bringing this wonderful system to light. I hope someday to meet with you and thank you in person. I am open to help anyone that has any questions about this DVD. I may be able to help you understand something that you may be struggling with in the DVD. Please feel free to PM me as I check this forum almost daily. Good luck to all that are working on learning this system. And I encourage those of you who are still not sure to go ahead and try this product. Watch it several times and keep working at it. When you get "it", you will be amazed.

 

[Big C]

I'll take that as a NO. :shakehead:

I started playing in a 9 ball league just before I received the DVD almost two months ago. I started off as an "A" player and I am now a "AAA". A couple of weeks ago, I played in a local 10-ball tournament. I have not played a single tournament in over four years until then and I took third place out of a field of 24. And that was a strong field. I think those two examples qualify as measurable improvement.

 

[Banks]

I started playing in a 9 ball league just before I received the DVD almost two months ago. I started off as an "A" player and I am now a "AAA". A couple of weeks ago, I played in a local 10-ball tournament. I have not played a single tournament in over four years until then and I took third place out of a field of 24. And that was a strong field. I think those two examples qualify as measurable improvement.

Not really. If you had been playing in the league for years as an A, then I'd agree, but ratings can change easily in a short period in a league. Not playing in a tournament for years and then playing and placing is not measurable whatsoever.

 

[Gerry Williams]

Did you get into the 8 pack early today or something?

All this woofing - we can bet high, it impresses nobody- least of all me.

Was there something in my post that offended you Anthony?

With the curtain the only objective points are the balls since you cannot see the pocket. If Stan was trying to shoot those by feel he would be trying to guess where the pocket is exactly.

Pro One the target is centre cue ball once the visuals have been locked in.

Shooting under the curtain is fun - I have spent time at Stan's place doing this - nailed em too for the most part. Could probably win a lot of money this way [/QUOTE

If at anytime you or Stan come through Missouri let me know. We can bet high! I will let either one of get really familiar with the table . Then we'll put up a curtain ,roll the balls and let them come to rest. (Behind the curtain)Call your shot pal. The truth will be in the outcome .

 

[Gerry Williams]

You are correct - I should have stated that. But you cannot see the pocket.

Anyhow - that is just used to illustrate the system - I have yet to see a table with a curtain

I generally stay far away from these aiming threads, but couldn't help myself when I read the statement above that's bolded.

The balls are most certainly not the only objective points in the curtain demonstration. Every part of table not covered by the curtain is an objective reference point. The rails, the pockets not covered, the footspot, and familiarity with the room, table and general orientation of things all serve as reference points, whether consciously or subconsiously. There is simply no way to aim a ball at a pocket with only the balls as objective points of reference.

Having said that, my intention is not to bash any aiming system, whether it be CTE/ProOne or anything else. If something works for a particular person, then more power to them. It's all about alignment, stroke, and consistency.

 

[cookie man]

Has there been a single testimony by anybody that could show measurable improvement? I mean, has there been an APA 4 that's been stuck at that for 10 years, suddenly improve to an APA 6 after a few months of learning this? All I've ever heard is a ghost theory.. "prove it doesn't work". Barton practiced it for years, improving 2 balls every 6 months and his high run was 5 balls in 15 games of 1P. I want to hear something more than a sales pitch.

Yes, I went from a solid apa 7 to one of the 5 best players in the largest apa franchise in the country. Only played on bar boxes for twenty years. Moved to Florida and won the Strokers straight pool league in only my second session, on 9 footers.

 

[one stroke]

I started playing in a 9 ball league just before I received the DVD almost two months ago. I started off as an "A" player and I am now a "AAA". A couple of weeks ago, I played in a local 10-ball tournament. I have not played a single tournament in over four years until then and I took third place out of a field of 24. And that was a strong field. I think those two examples qualify as measurable improvement.

So your pro speed then ,, that's a amazing jump if Stevie had that jump he would be playing Shane's speed


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[stan shuffett]

With the curtain the only objective points are the balls since you cannot see the pocket. If Stan was trying to shoot those by feel he would be trying to guess where the pocket is exactly.

Pro One the target is centre cue ball once the visuals have been locked in.

Shooting under the curtain is fun - I have spent time at Stan's place doing this - nailed em too for the most part. Could probably win a lot of money this way [/QUOTE

If at anytime you or Stan come through Missouri let me know. We can bet high! I will let either one of get really familiar with the table . Then we'll put up a curtain ,roll the balls and let them come to rest. (Behind the curtain)Call your shot pal. The truth will be in the outcome .

I will be on the same side of a curtain as the 2 balls that I deal with. The truth is already out there. On YouTube and with students that have seen demos and for those that are yet to come.
The truth about CTE, REAL CTE will be spreading around world from now on and a threat bet by you is meaningless.
Stan Shuffett

 

[Banks]

Yes, I went from a solid apa 7 to one of the 5 best players in the largest apa franchise in the country. Only played on bar boxes for twenty years. Moved to Florida and won the Strokers straight pool league in only my second session, on 9 footers.

Nothing measurable there. Like I said, if you had played 14.1 for years, learned CTE and then started running 100's, then that would be something. Suddenly playing straight pool as a good shot already and then winning is not measurable.