CTE Pro One makes no sense to me...
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WORD SALAD lol.
You are right. My bad. My newborn started crying and I was rushing to finish the post.
So your saying viewing the dvds could be a waist of time for some. I don't see anything wrong with the dvds other then it doesn't work. (For me). Now if I bend the rules things tend to work better.
If it takes personal lessons to get it right, someone owes me some money.
Your dad is my best friend on here, how is he?
Also, have you been playing longer then your dad?
I don't think the DVD is a waste of time because now that I am familiar with the system I can go back to the dvd to refresh myself. For some it may be a waste of time but obviously for others it has not been at all. I think it really depends on how you learn things best. I'm very hands on so the dvd just didn't enhance my knowledge at all.
My dad is doing well. From time to time he messages me asking if he can log in on mine and post! Lol.
He has been playing quite a bit longer than I have and kicked my butt all through high school. Once I was out of school and bartending I a sports bar I started playing after work a lot and improved pretty quickly. I'm higher ranked than him in Apa in 8 and 9 ball now but he is still pretty tough competition.
You know Neil I was one of the first to receive Pro one ...I had asked Stan about a PDF or way to print it and he was vigorously apposed to having any of his stuff in data form. I was told of ways to try but they failed.
I admit I gave up without putting LOTS of effort (hours & weeks) into it.
Now that my game has improved I may attempt it again. I think it's great that people like Stan are trying to help others achieve a better game... Just remember lots of us GUYS are 1+1 must equal 2 or somethings is not right..
Maybe you or someone that has achieved a comfortable level with CTE can explain why Stan shots some shots soft and others hard when trying to prove a point. (I know speed effects CIT, and bank angle etc..) This was apparent in CTE PRO1 when he is trying to show how shots don't go into the fake pocket.
Offhand I couldn't answer that. Stan would have to give his reasons. But, unfortunately, that isn't likely to happen on here anymore.
In part, I use CTE. I think it is of great value. I've only posted a few times but want to offer my .03. I like this board when it's a place to share and help, and I hate when it disintegrates into stoopid flame wars. This is mainly for BCB because he seems to be trying--not just to understand CTE--but also to help himself and others.
The 15,30.45 and 60 degree perceptions are just that--perceptions. And I admit it takes anywhere from a short to long period of time to understand what this means. Don't get hung up on degree of cut angle, because that's not always the case. For a half table shot in the neighborhood of 15*, the 15 degree solution thinned will pocket the ball. A half table shot straight -in will find the pocket w/ a 15* solution thickened. I think of thinning or thickening the shot rather than pivoting (I'm actually a manual pivot guy--I'm, no good at visual sweeps). If the cue ball is near the head rail and the OB is 10" away from a corner pocket at a (whatever--I've never measured it) lets say 37* angle to the pocket, the 15* solution is likely the best visual to choose to pocket the ball. How can this be? Distance between the CB and OB have great impact on choosing the visuals because as this distance grows, the CB (in the foreground) looks much bigger than the OB (in the distant background). Using contact points, has anyone ever noticed that distant balls pocket better w/ a fuller aim? I keep using the word 'solution', because this is where CTE really does connect you w/ angles to a pocket. Just tonight, I had a shot where the CB and OB were near the rail-just inches apart-7 diamonds away from the corner pocket. I'm guessing the cut angle was shallow--maybe 7-10*. Well, in terms of perception, the 15* solution had no chance of making this ball. It was obvious to me (who has been working casually w/ CTE for a few months) that this shot required the 30* solution thinned. Drawing on addition pool knowledge, I know that when the CB and OB are real close together, and shooting softly, the collision is gonna be stun where cling (CIT) can be as great as 5*. A very little outside English w/ a soft nip draw stroke pocketed this shallow cut w/ the 30* solution--nuthin' but net. And of course, on bank shots, speed, angle of approach, etc all come into play as they will w/ any aiming method, but CTE will take you to the angle.
Here's what I really want to say to BCB. Ya know those long, full table back cuts where the OB is out near the middle of the table and the CB is near the long rail somewhere in the kitchen. This is everybody's favorite 'easy' shot. Well, try a 45* perception thickened, and watch the ball find the pocket. You'll be proud as punch.
Good luck to you in your continued study.
Thank you for the advice. I am familiar with most of what you are talking about. The main reason I haven't started incorporating the 45/60 perceptions is because I haven't gotten to where I'm comfortable using them in competition yet and I need for table time with them. Admittedly I haven't spent as much time as I should have on them since starting my work with CTE because my position play has improved to a point where i very rarely find myself needing to use them.
Oh and I know the shot you are referring to and I've seen quite a few 30's with a thinning pivot that are quite fun to hit and see people's reaction.
Stan's video called "Improving the 45 and the 60: One-Liners" can help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiulmSbLDZM
Thank you. I haven't seen that one yet. I'll be sure to check it out.
I'd like to see two tables setup in the following manner.
Table 1.......CTE.
Set up a computer with all the CTE DVDs and links to the videos.
Table 2....... Ghost Ball Contact Patch and the Arrow.
Participates must have limited pool playing experince. The newer to the game the better.
Let them at the tables and see which table, over time, gets used more in learning to aim using a system.
Table 1.......CTE.
Set up a computer with all the CTE DVDs and links to the videos.
Table 2....... Ghost Ball Contact Patch and the Arrow.
Participates must have limited pool playing experince. The newer to the game the better.
Let them at the tables and see which table, over time, gets used more in learning to aim using a system.
That would just prove one or the other is easier to learn. I can already tell you ghost ball is easier to learn but it's not more effective.
Is this a popularity contest or something?
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Why is GhostBall not considered by you to be a system as well?
After all, it is no more than a systematic method to line up shots so they have the best percentage of going in the pocket.....like all systems or 'methods', if you will.
I use a mixture of CJ Wiley's TOI stuff as well as Stan's CTE here and there throughout a rack. Sometimes one method (system) seems to work superior to the other and sometimes not. They both work out to be deadly and far superior to any GhostBall stuff, which I used for 50 years.
I'm not speaking of you personally when I state that never have I seen such intense anger and downright derision by many forum pool players about these systematic approaches to lining up shots to gain a higher percentage of accuracy. I really do not understand the turmoil...beats me.
I bought the CTE video in May 2013 when I started playing again.
I'm not dumb but I couldn't make sense of the video.
I also searched you tube and watched all of the CTE related videos and none of it made any sense.
So I said if there are 7 points on the object ball and 2 possible pivots for each point, that would mean you could generate 14 angles with CTE.
That didn't sound like enough so I created the attached visual.
Just for the limited shots in the diagram, you would need 36 angles.
In reality you need closer to 90.
If someone who knows CTE could tell me the the distinct visuals and pivots, I will try them and probably convert to CTE.
Notice, Center To Edge is always parallel to the long center line.
I'm not dumb but I couldn't make sense of the video.
I also searched you tube and watched all of the CTE related videos and none of it made any sense.
So I said if there are 7 points on the object ball and 2 possible pivots for each point, that would mean you could generate 14 angles with CTE.
That didn't sound like enough so I created the attached visual.
Just for the limited shots in the diagram, you would need 36 angles.
In reality you need closer to 90.
If someone who knows CTE could tell me the the distinct visuals and pivots, I will try them and probably convert to CTE.
Notice, Center To Edge is always parallel to the long center line.
Attachments
I just did it on my 7' table with 4 1/8" pockets. I separated the two balls by 11" (a sheet of paper)
1- 17 A with a left pivot (left to right pivot) (10 was center table for me)
18- 20 B with left pivot (19 is head string)
21-22 45 degree, left pivot
23-24 60 left pivot
25 (3 balls off end rail) 60 left, but hung it up in the jaws. Looser pockets would have dropped.
On a 9' it will vary a little on when the transitions take place.
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I would teach them CTE if and only if they are wanting to be the best they can be and put in the time.
Don't have the time to explain why but if I remember later I'll try and take a minute to explain.
Well, after your last post to me in another thread, you made your problem very clear. You simply aren't capable of reading what is written without adding things to it that aren't there. That, and combine it with you never bothering to answer the question I asked you twice on this thread, and you also made it clear that you have no real desire to learn it, but are just here to troll and run down CTE.
Don't be expecting any help anytime soon with your attitude.
Go try and learn toi or something else. Maybe duckie will send you an arrow or something.