CTE Pro One makes no sense to me...

[Neil]

I ran into a young fellow about 2 months ago who had just bought the dvd and we talked about it. I told him my feelings and I saw him last week and he told me all the hours he had put into it.

What I find amazing is that when something is complex it seems to be more interesting and people try harder to understand. Human nature I would guess and Im guilty but not with aiming.

Actually, it's not complex. It really is very simple. However, most are not willing to let go of what they now do completely and follow the directions to the letter. Every person that I know of that had that aha moment when it clicked, all say that it is easy, and exactly as described. One just has to follow the directions correctly.

Now, when I say simple, that is making balls. It does take time to learn what visuals to use and what pivot to use. But, taking some time to learn something new is true of anything new that someone learns.

 

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You have stated you have no intention of ever using the system, or of even trying it again, so why are you asking the same old questions yet again? You have been told by Stan, Mohrt, Gerry, myself, and others that it is ones visual perception of the shot.

It has been explained in detail to where a rock could understand it, so why are you asking about it again?

FOR YOUR INFO: BlueCollarBar seemed to be being genuine. He learned it in person & said that he doubts that he could have learned it from the DVD as Tom the OP obviously has not been able to do.

FOR YOUR INFO: Maybe something BCB has to say might help Tom & others who are having trouble learning it from the DVD.

 

[tashworth19191]

I was able to get direct feedback to specific questions that I had about the perceptions, body position, bridge position, etc. I think because it is such a big departure from the other aiming systems out there it can be difficult to wrap your head around it without that. I've always been a very hands on learner so it's very difficult for me to watch something on a video and then apply it.

I'm a bit different than a lot of CTE/Pro 1 users on here I think because I learned the system through instruction prior to ever watching the dvd's and frankly I don't think I would be using it today if it weren't for that. Although the dvd's make it seem very complex in reality it is quite simple and within an hour of working with Stevie I was picking up the perceptions. The 3 others in the clinic took a bit longer but they had the "aha" moment within 30 minutes of me. I've seen a few players (especially low ranked) have that moment where it clicks and it's pretty funny seeing someone at that very moment they realize how it works and think to themselves "I wish I would have learned this years ago."

I'm not sure if that's the clarification you are looking for...

Neil, thanks for the reply, then why doesn't the DVD give you a step by step on each sweep, perception and angle used. It doesn't as far as I can tell. The video starts out with three persceptions and if you hit those, yes the ball goes to those places on the rail. But it does not give you one damn bit of information on the 1~2 ft between each to the perception lines. Like I said, I need CTE for dummies.... It sucks that a guy that has a Masters in Information Technology from BSU and a B.S. in Electrical Engineering can't understand the angles in this. I spent 30 years in Semiconductor high tech and can usually understand anything that is explained well. I am now a Realtor after retiring from semiconductor industry and I use math daily. So a little trig, geometry and calculus does not scare me, if it were explained in the DVD correctly me and my friend Russell would understand it.

I tried it on my wife who does not shoot good and she even says it makes no sense... I have yet to find anyone I know that can truly explain it and understands it. Although I do admit that several on this forum seem to have no problem with it, so I guess as you say, some people do get it.

 

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English It seems to me your question is how can the same perception and pivot be the solution for multiple shots. If it is not I apologize, but it definitely has to do with depth perception and i don't think it can be accurately shown on a 2d picture. To me, a similar example would be Visual Glide Slope Indicators used at airports. The systems shoot multiple directional lights where if you are above or below the glide slope, you'll visually perceive an indication other than being on the glide slope.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXEK4rLbS04

I'd like to hear what BCB has to say since he learned it in person & not from the DVD.

But is not the link you provided a 2D representation?

Best 2 You & All,
Rick

 

[Neil]

FOR YOUR INFO: BlueCollarBar seemed to be being genuine. He learned it in person & said that he doubts that he could have learned it from the DVD as Tom the OP obviously has not been able to do.

FOR YOUR INFO: Maybe something BCB has to say might help Tom & others who are having trouble learning it from the DVD.

And since when have you cared two cents about helping someone to learn CTE? You have spent most of your time degrading it. You have recently stated to someone that they would be much better off to run from CTE and never have anything to do with it. So, have you had a change of heart, or are you just out to deceive those you now claim to be helping, or, are you just trolling for more bait to try and discredit CTE some more?

 

[Neil]

Neil, thanks for the reply, then why doesn't the DVD give you a step by step on each sweep, perception and angle used. It doesn't as far as I can tell. The video starts out with three persceptions and if you hit those, yes the ball goes to those places on the rail. But it does not give you one damn bit of information on the 1~2 ft between each to the perception lines. Like I said, I need CTE for dummies.... It sucks that a guy that has a Masters in Information Technology from BSU and a B.S. in Electrical Engineering can't understand the angles in this. I spent 30 years in Semiconductor high tech and can usually understand anything that is explained well. I am now a Realtor after retiring from semiconductor industry and I use math daily. So a little trig, geometry and calculus does not scare me, if it were explained in the DVD correctly me and my friend Russell would understand it.

I tried it on my wife who does not shoot good and she even says it makes no sense... I have yet to find anyone I know that can truly explain it and understands it. Although I do admit that several on this forum seem to have no problem with it, so I guess as you say, some people do get it.

On the DVD is a chart of shots. That shot gives the visuals for each set up, which is the shots he shoots in the DVD. Did you print out that chart and use it at the table?

 

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And since when have you cared two cents about helping someone to learn CTE? You have spent most of your time degrading it. You have recently stated to someone that they would be much better off to run from CTE and never have anything to do with it. So, have you had a change of heart, or are you just out to deceive those you now claim to be helping, or, are you just trolling for more bait to try and discredit CTE some more?

FOR YOUR INFO: You do not know everything about everyone, but you do continue to distort matters for your own purposes. Your posts here are not of a constructive nature, hence this conversation is over.

 

[cookie man]

Thanks for the reply.

You would be different than most then, in that you learned before ever even seeing the DVD.

Can you tell me/us what if anything in the system differentiates one shot from another when using the same visual & pivot/sweep?

Thanks again in advance,
Rick

Different than most? That's a generalization of yours that you have no proof of. Most of the users i know learned without the dvd. Some than bought the dvd as a way of thanking Stan for all he has done to further the best aiming system EVER.

 

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Different than most? That's a generalization of yours that you have no proof of. Most of the users i know learned without the dvd. Some than bought the dvd as a way of thanking Stan for all he has done to further the best aiming system EVER.

My apologies. I stand corrected. Perhaps there have been more to learn it without the DVDs but I don't see your point of making the differential.

I just thought BCB might have something that could help Tom, the OP.

 

[tashworth19191]

And since when have you cared two cents about helping someone to learn CTE? You have spent most of your time degrading it. You have recently stated to someone that they would be much better off to run from CTE and never have anything to do with it. So, have you had a change of heart, or are you just out to deceive those you now claim to be helping, or, are you just trolling for more bait to try and discredit CTE some more?

Neil, I hope you are not talking about me, I truely would like to understand CTE and I have not discredited. I have said that there are many on here that use it and understand it. I have just made it clear that I am not one of them that understands how it works...

 

[Neil]

Neil, I hope you are not talking about me, I truely would like to understand CTE and I have not discredited. I have said that there are many on here that use it and understand it. I have just made it clear that I am not one of them that understands how it works...

Nope, not you, just the guy that I had quoted. Did you see my other question to you? (post 166)

 

[cookie man]

My apologies. I stand corrected. Perhaps there have been more to learn it without the DVDs but I don't see your point of making the differential.

I just thought BCB might have something that could help Tom, the OP.

You tend to use words like "others" and "most" when discussing cte. Since you know what, one possible user, in my opinion you shouldn't come off sounding like the majority. Just trying to stay neutral and allow people to decide on there own.

 

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You tend to use words like "others" and "most" when discussing cte. Since you know what, one possible user, in my opinion you shouldn't come off sounding like the majority. Just trying to stay neutral and allow people to decide on there own.

I sincerely hope BCB has something to say that can help Tom & others. Once one has made the investment of time I'd certainly rather see them succeed than fail.

 

[BlueCollarBar]

Thanks for the reply.

You would be different than most then, in that you learned before ever even seeing the DVD.

Can you tell me/us what if anything in the system differentiates one shot from another when using the same visual & pivot/sweep?

Thanks again in advance,
Rick

I'm not sure I know the correct terminology or have the knowledge to explain why the same perception can pocket shots from multiple positions like the 5 shots that seem to be such a controversial topic. I personally have done the 5 shots on 2 different diamond 9' tables, an 8' olhausen and valley and diamond bar boxes with the exact same results. I have yet to set up a curtain and attempt them blind but I'm quite sure the results would be the same.

If you are looking for some tidbit of acknowledgement that it may not be completely objective then I'm not sure what to tell you. In my opinion I think that there may be something going on subconsciously that causes one to adjust their visual perception ever so slightly as you reach the limits of each perception. I couldn't even begin to guess what that might be but it could be a limited explanation for the question you seem to be asking.

I honestly believe that a visual specialist and mathematician would have to spend quite a bit of time working with Stan to be able to come up with a mathematical explanation but I have no doubt that given a lot of time and money it could be done.

As far as the difference between perceptions goes I think there is plenty of information out there already that there is no need for me to explain them further. Determining the proper perception for each shot just comes with practice. I have yet to incorporate CTe/Pro 1 into my game 100% because I am not using the 45 and 60 perceptions consistently as of yet but I will be soon. I am currently using the 15 and 30 and pocketing balls at an extremely high rate.

 

[BlueCollarBar]

Neil, thanks for the reply, then why doesn't the DVD give you a step by step on each sweep, perception and angle used. It doesn't as far as I can tell. The video starts out with three persceptions and if you hit those, yes the ball goes to those places on the rail. But it does not give you one damn bit of information on the 1~2 ft between each to the perception lines. Like I said, I need CTE for dummies.... It sucks that a guy that has a Masters in Information Technology from BSU and a B.S. in Electrical Engineering can't understand the angles in this. I spent 30 years in Semiconductor high tech and can usually understand anything that is explained well. I am now a Realtor after retiring from semiconductor industry and I use math daily. So a little trig, geometry and calculus does not scare me, if it were explained in the DVD correctly me and my friend Russell would understand it.

I tried it on my wife who does not shoot good and she even says it makes no sense... I have yet to find anyone I know that can truly explain it and understands it. Although I do admit that several on this forum seem to have no problem with it, so I guess as you say, some people do get it.

I think your best bet would be to find someone close to you that is a current user that has succes with CTE and spend some time working with them. It's very difficult to teach/explain in text.

I've been teaching my wife the system and within the first hour she was correctly picking up the perception and using proper bridge placement. She still needs a lot more work with it but she has a basic understanding of it.

 

[cookie man]

I'm not sure I know the correct terminology or have the knowledge to explain why the same perception can pocket shots from multiple positions like the 5 shots that seem to be such a controversial topic. I personally have done the 5 shots on 2 different diamond 9' tables, an 8' olhausen and valley and diamond bar boxes with the exact same results. I have yet to set up a curtain and attempt them blind but I'm quite sure the results would be the same.

If you are looking for some tidbit of acknowledgement that it may not be completely objective then I'm not sure what to tell you. In my opinion I think that there may be something going on subconsciously that causes one to adjust their visual perception ever so slightly as you reach the limits of each perception. I couldn't even begin to guess what that might be but it could be a limited explanation for the question you seem to be asking.

I honestly believe that a visual specialist and mathematician would have to spend quite a bit of time working with Stan to be able to come up with a mathematical explanation but I have no doubt that given a lot of time and money it could be done.

As far as the difference between perceptions goes I think there is plenty of information out there already that there is no need for me to explain them further. Determining the proper perception for each shot just comes with practice. I have yet to incorporate CTe/Pro 1 into my game 100% because I am not using the 45 and 60 perceptions consistently as of yet but I will be soon. I am currently using the 15 and 30 and pocketing balls at an extremely high rate.

Good job. Keep working on it at the table and don't worry about the why's and how's and such. They don't matter when your pocketing balls.

 

[8pack]

CTE is not a system that is easily taught or easily understood. I understood the concept of it very quickly but it took a combination of 3 lessons with Stevie(twice) and Stan(once) for me to connect the dots completely. I hate to say it but I fell like CTE is something that(for most) cannot be learned through DVD or you tube instruction. It is something that most people need to be able to have one on one or group instruction in person to be able to fully grasp the concept of it.

I personally challenge all of the doubters to spend time with Stevie or Stan learning the system in person before you continue to discredit the legitimacy of it. We fear what we do not understand and it is very clear that those of you that constantly attempt to discredit the system are not understanding what it does. I am not saying you are not smart enough or incompetent I'm just saying that the information available may not explain it in a way that connects the dots for you.

My dad, nobcitypool, and I both use CTE/Pro 1 and I'm not sure why but it clicked for me very quickly and for him it has taken much longer to learn to trust it. I much prefer the Pro 1 approach and he prefers the manual pivot. I think it's because I decide on the speed and spin needed, find my perception, get down on the shot and go without giving it anymore thought than is absolutely necessary. He doesn't do that and it's hard to say what exactly he does but considering he is a mechanical engineer I think it may have to do with him wanting to have an exact explanation for everything he does and with CTE, at this point, you just don't have that.

I'm not sure we ever will without having an extremely intelligent Engineer and someone with extensive knowledge or how the brain and eyes perceive things work together with Stan to connect all the dots and frankly I don't need that to know that it works. I realize it's beyond my ability to explain it to all you geniuses so therefor I don't try. I only discuss it at all on here because I respect and appreciate the amount of time and effort that Stan has put into this to bring it to the masses and I have no doubt in the future it will be easier and easier to understand for those of you that want to learn it or doubt it because you just don't get it yet.

So your saying viewing the dvds could be a waist of time for some. I don't see anything wrong with the dvds other then it doesn't work. (For me). Now if I bend the rules things tend to work better.

If it takes personal lessons to get it right, someone owes me some money.

Your dad is my best friend on here, how is he?

Also, have you been playing longer then your dad?

 

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I'm not sure I know the correct terminology or have the knowledge to explain why the same perception can pocket shots from multiple positions like the 5 shots that seem to be such a controversial topic. I personally have done the 5 shots on 2 different diamond 9' tables, an 8' olhausen and valley and diamond bar boxes with the exact same results. I have yet to set up a curtain and attempt them blind but I'm quite sure the results would be the same.

If you are looking for some tidbit of acknowledgement that it may not be completely objective then I'm not sure what to tell you. In my opinion I think that there may be something going on subconsciously that causes one to adjust their visual perception ever so slightly as you reach the limits of each perception. I couldn't even begin to guess what that might be but it could be a limited explanation for the question you seem to be asking.

I honestly believe that a visual specialist and mathematician would have to spend quite a bit of time working with Stan to be able to come up with a mathematical explanation but I have no doubt that given a lot of time and money it could be done.

As far as the difference between perceptions goes I think there is plenty of information out there already that there is no need for me to explain them further. Determining the proper perception for each shot just comes with practice. I have yet to incorporate CTe/Pro 1 into my game 100% because I am not using the 45 and 60 perceptions consistently as of yet but I will be soon. I am currently using the 15 and 30 and pocketing balls at an extremely high rate.

Thanks for the reply.

I best stop with just that.

Good luck with the 45s & 60s.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick

 

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I think your best bet would be to find someone close to you that is a current user that has succes with CTE and spend some time working with them. It's very difficult to teach/explain in text.

I've been teaching my wife the system and within the first hour she was correctly picking up the perception and using proper bridge placement. She still needs a lot more work with it but she has a basic understanding of it.

Am I wrong or are you saying perception when you should be saying visual?

Thanks,
Rick