CTE Pro One makes no sense to me...

[tashworth19191]

The recent answers are more of what I was looking for when I posted this. I really would like to learn CTE and will spend more time on chapters 8 & 9 that has been suggested. I have never said the aiming systems don't work, I have said I don't understand them.

 

[KenK]

I too have struggled with CTE on and off for quite some time. What I seemed to struggle the most was how to determine if it's a right pivot or left pivot.

This past Christmas I received Dr Daves VEP series. On the first disk they discuss how a 3/4 ball hit equals a 15 degree angle, half ball hit equals a 30 degree angle, and a 1/4 ball hit equals a 45 degree angle.

Shortly after II re-watched Stan's dvd (first one published and second one published and watched some of his YouTube videos ). During that time the light bulb finally went on for me in terms of how to decipher the pivot.

For example, now when I'm uncertain on the pivot, I go through the manual steps of finding the contact point on the object ball and the angle into the pocket. Depending which side the contact point is on A B or C helps me determine if I need to thin the shot angle or thicken the shot angle.

Plus if I now know if the visual is between B and C, in most cases I could choose B with an inside pivot or c with an outside pivot (Stan covers this piece of material I believe in his second dvd ).

I will confess up front that I'm an amateur player who is very passionate about the game and has the desire and motivation to and is look for ways to improve. I understand everybody is different and the above suggestion on what helped me with CTE may or may not work for everybody.

I do feel that now that I have a better understanding of CTE and the pivots I am a my way to greater successes in pool.

Thank you Stan for being a dedicated to getting this information out to the public!

 

[stan shuffett]

I too have struggled with CTE on and off for quite some time. What I seemed to struggle the most was how to determine if it's a right pivot or left pivot.

This past Christmas I received Dr Daves VEP series. On the first disk they discuss how a 3/4 ball hit equals a 15 degree angle, half ball hit equals a 30 degree angle, and a 1/4 ball hit equals a 45 degree angle.

Shortly after II re-watched Stan's dvd (first one published and second one published and watched some of his YouTube videos ). During that time the light bulb finally went on for me in terms of how to decipher the pivot.

For example, now when I'm uncertain on the pivot, I go through the manual steps of finding the contact point on the object ball and the angle into the pocket. Depending which side the contact point is on A B or C helps me determine if I need to thin the shot angle or thicken the shot angle.

Plus if I now know if the visual is between B and C, in most cases I could choose B with an inside pivot or c with an outside pivot (Stan covers this piece of material I believe in his second dvd ).

I will confess up front that I'm an amateur player who is very passionate about the game and has the desire and motivation to and is look for ways to improve. I understand everybody is different and the above suggestion on what helped me with CTE may or may not work for everybody.

I do feel that now that I have a better understanding of CTE and the pivots I am a my way to greater successes in pool.

Thank you Stan for being a dedicated to getting this information out to the public!

You are welcome, Ken!
Thank you for your comments. I thoroughly enjoy doing the support videos for YouTube.
JE54 requested a couple of videos yesterday. They are complete and will be linked up for viewing tonight or tomorrow. My intentions are to leave no stones unturned in advancing to the public what I know about CTE.
As Hal once Landon.....it will keep getting easier and easier.
Stan Shuffett

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Please do not try and make real CTE into a feel method.

I described the well known fractional aiming method. The fact that it sounds so much like CTE is interesting - if you change CTE's "acquire the visual" and "pivot" instructions to "adjust from here by feel", it seems just about identical to simple fractional aiming.

pj
chgo

 

[stan shuffett]

I described the well known fractional aiming method. The fact that it sounds so much like CTE is interesting - if you change CTE's "acquire the visual" and "pivot" instructions to "adjust from here by feel", it seems just about identical to simple fractional aiming.

pj
chgo

Hal's fractional document does not work without CTE and pivoting . Hal confirmed to Spidey that I put it all together.....
This is nothing new.....there is no adjustment for feel.....PERIOD
Stan Shuffett

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Hal's fractional document does not work without CTE and pivoting . Hal confirmed to Spidey that I put it all together.....
This is nothing new.....there is no adjustment for feel.....PERIOD
Stan Shuffett

Fractional aiming didn't begin with Hal - and "pivoting" isn't the only way to visualize getting from a fractional alignment to the actual aim line. It can also be visualized as simply adjusting thicker/thinner until we "know it when we see it" (because we practiced it) - seeing it that way, the fractional alignments are simply a framework of "reference alignments" that provide a handy structure for easier memorization.

That unembellished version of fractional aiming lacks the "mystery" of some others, but it has the advantage of being completely transparent, logical and easy to understand.

pj
chgo

 

[stan shuffett]

Fractional aiming didn't begin with Hal - and "pivoting" isn't the only way to visualize getting from a fractional alignment to the actual aim line. It can also be visualized as simply adjusting thicker/thinner until we "know it when we see it" (because we practiced it) - the fractional alignments are simply a framework of "reference alignments" that provide a handy structure for easier memorization.

That unembellished version of fractional aiming lacks the "mystery" of some others, but it has the advantage of being completely transparent, logical and easy to understand.

pj
chgo

CTE PRO ONE is Not a fractional system and I will bet heavy and give odds that I can prove that.
Anyone can take the quarters system and I will take REAL CTE....the 2 can be compared and contrasted.......an unbiased group of 3 or 5 can be assembled.

Not sure what your implication is but this was addressed in my DVD 1 and if you are not up to speed, it only shows your that your knowledge about CTE is lagging way behind.

Stan Shuffett

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Fractional aiming didn't begin with Hal - and "pivoting" isn't the only way to visualize getting from a fractional alignment to the actual aim line. It can also be visualized as simply adjusting thicker/thinner until we "know it when we see it" (because we practiced it) - the fractional alignments are simply a framework of "reference alignments" that provide a handy structure for easier memorization.

That unembellished version of fractional aiming lacks the "mystery" of some others, but it has the advantage of being completely transparent, logical and easy to understand.

pj
chgo

Not sure what your implication is...

Stan Shuffett

My "implication" is "fractional alignments are simply a framework of "reference alignments" that provide a handy structure for easier memorization" and "it has the advantage of being completely transparent, logical and easy to understand."

pj
chgo

 

[stan shuffett]

My "implication" is "fractional alignments are simply a framework of "reference alignments" that provide a handy structure for easier memorization" and "it has the advantage of being completely transparent, logical and easy to understand."

pj
chgo

Ok, but still not understanding what you are getting at since CTE PRO ONE is not a fractional system.
At some point I may do a YouTube video to clearly show the difference between a fractional reference framework system vs real CTE.
Quarters system is a joke compared to real CTE.

Stan Shuffett

 

[Patrick Johnson]

At some point I may do a YouTube video to clearly show the difference between a fractional reference framework system vs real CTE.

I'd welcome your comparison. I already described the difference I see:

With CTE you choose the nearest fractional alignment, then "acquire the visual and pivot", which to many seems illogical, opaque and hard to understand.

With "fractional aiming" you choose the nearest fractional alignment, then adjust by "practiced estimation" ("feel"), which is logical, transparent and easy to understand.

pj
chgo

 

[stan shuffett]

I'd welcome your comparison. I already described the difference I see:

With CTE you choose the nearest fractional alignment, then "acquire the visual and pivot", which to many seems illogical, opaque and hard to understand.

With "fractional aiming" you choose the nearest fractional alignment, then adjust by "practiced estimation" ("feel"), which is logical, transparent and easy to understand.

pj
chgo

No no, Not quite on the CTE part because there are, for example, 45 degree real angles where the 15 degree perception is used....so your nearest aspect falls way short, but overall your description carries some merit but since you do not understand real cte, it's understandable that you'd define what I present with missing elements.

And even for some dead perfect 30 degree shots, I typically choose the 15 perception....no again...nearest is not the rule.

Yes, I'd be happy to make a video.

We are getting along better!

Stan Shuffett

 

[nobcitypool]

Tom, I feel your pain to a degree. I remember purchasing the first DVD hoping I'd be a contender at DCC in a month or two. I actually had a rather strong disagreement with Stan at one point. It got very frustrating at times during the first few months.

All I can tell you is, two years later and I'm obviously very happy with the system.

If for some reason you decide you're no longer interested, I'll be happy to purchase the DVD's from you. I loaned mine to my Son. He loves the system, I'm guessing I'll never get them back unless I heist them. I'd encourage you to give the system more of a chance, watch the YouTube support videos and even make a trip to see randyg for some instruction. However, if that doesn't work out for you, PM me. Best of luck!

 

[oldmanatc]

I've been lurking the forum for quite a while and figured I'd throw in my .02. First off I'm somewhat new to CTE. I too had problems understanding the system and I think it is because I purchased DVD 2. I still haven't purchased DVD 1 (I do plan to), but I've been able to start piecing things together. To me the bottom line is it is going to take dedication and practice which you need to be successful using any system. I've had a lot more success so far training my eyes to see the visuals by practicing only on shots within one half of the table. Attaining the visuals for these shots is much easier and my plan is to practice them until the visuals happen almost automatically then gradually add in longer shots.

As far as saying CTE is just a fractional aiming system in the sense that you figure out if a shot is closer to 15/30/45 degrees and then just fatten or thin it as needed disregards one important feature of CTE in that no matter which pivot you choose, the shot will take you to a pocket, it just might not be the intended one. For example 15 degree perception shot that requires a pivot from inside out instead shot with an outside in pivot will bank to the opposite corner.

I don't mean for my post to insight any riots and it's not directed at any one person in particular.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

As far as saying CTE is just a fractional aiming system in the sense that you figure out if a shot is closer to 15/30/45 degrees and then just fatten or thin it as needed disregards one important feature of CTE in that no matter which pivot you choose, the shot will take you to a pocket, it just might not be the intended one. For example 15 degree perception shot that requires a pivot from inside out instead shot with an outside in pivot will bank to the opposite corner.

Since you're new to it and maybe haven't yet been completely indoctrinated, you might want to know that this is complete hogwash.

If you've already "chosen to believe", then carry on - no amount of logic or reason will get through to you.

pj
chgo

 

[DeadStick]

one important feature of CTE in that no matter which pivot you choose, the shot will take you to a pocket, it just might not be the intended one

lol

Wait, wait, I've got a new aiming system. Simply make contact with the object ball, but hit every shot at break-speed. A rather full hit works best. You'll start finding the pockets in no time!

 

[DeadStick]

As an aside, has anyone else watched the documentary Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief? Highly recommended.

Not sure why, but this thread brought that movie to mind.

 

[oldmanatc]

I havent chosen to believe anything at all yet. I bought the dvd 6 months ago and initially was left a bit confused after watching. I decided a few days ago to rewatch several chapters and it began making a bit more sense. I tried a few shots and am initially impressed with the results so far. Its simply a way to visually get into proper alignment for the given shot. Is this the be all end all approach to winning pool? No of course not. There are olenty more factors involved. While my stroke isnt perfect yet, it has been the main focus of my attention for quite a while and its getting there.

 

[cookie man]

Since you're new to it and maybe haven't yet been completely indoctrinated, you might want to know that this is complete hogwash.

If you've already "chosen to believe", then carry on - no amount of logic or reason will get through to you.

pj
chgo

Pay no attention to this naysayer, he hasn't bothered to learn CTE, just chooses to wrongly inform people of things he does not know.

 

[cookie man]

lol

Wait, wait, I've got a new aiming system. Simply make contact with the object ball, but hit every shot at break-speed. A rather full hit works best. You'll start finding the pockets in no time!

If it works for you fine, don't force it on others though please.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Its simply a way to visually get into proper alignment for the given shot.

That part's true.

This part isn't:

one important feature of CTE in that no matter which pivot you choose, the shot will take you to a pocket, it just might not be the intended one

In pool, if you can't immediately see the sense in it, it probably isn't there.

pj
chgo