CTE Pro One Visual Sweep versus Manual Pivot

SpiderWebComm said:
It's your opinion, call them what you wish. You're still protecting your Master through deflection. Would you like to produce a video of yourself on the table? Your choice of subject matter. What can we look forward to?
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If someone could produce a video of what is going on inside their head, then that might have meaning... until you have that, no video that purports to show someone 'using' CTE shows anything at all except their claim to be using CTE, and their outward actions.

And, frankly, since they have to bring their own interpretation, and work the completion of the process for themselves, in a sense they ARE 'using' CTE... it's just that it's their version of CTE.

But, you're a smart guy, you already knew that. So give the video proofs a rest, why don't you?
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Don't worry, your tag team partners and other reinforcements should be piling in to help their Master Lord Johnson.
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Well, I haven't posted anything on this subject in a while, and I was starting to feel guilty about just leaving PJ hanging out there, fighting the good fight, all by his onesies.

He's better at making the arguments than the rest of us, however, so it usually falls to him to take up the banner...
 
swest said:
Well, I haven't posted anything on this subject in a while, and I was starting to feel guilty about just leaving PJ hanging out there, fighting the good fight, all by his onesies.

He's better at making the arguments than the rest of us, however, so it usually falls to him to take up the banner...
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That's my point... all this ever becomes is a collection of arguments. If CTE isn't your thing...fine... but scram and let others who want to collaborate on it do so without the constant resistance, fighting and knocking.
 
swest said:
Well, I haven't posted anything on this subject in a while, and I was starting to feel guilty about just leaving PJ hanging out there, fighting the good fight, all by his onesies.

He's better at making the arguments than the rest of us, however, so it usually falls to him to take up the banner...
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Why must we take up banners? Why must there be arguing? I have no dog in this fight, no allegiances to anyone, but you guys that bash CTE amaze me. Doesn't work for you? Move on! Cant figure it out? Move on! Don't like Stan's teaching style? Move on! But to disparage Stan and his work and others who are proficient with it just makes you look egotistical and silly. Quit ruining threads! Please?

Just one lurkers opinion....
 
StopShort said:
Why must we take up banners? Why must there be arguing? I have no dog in this fight, no allegiances to anyone, but you guys that bash CTE amaze me. Doesn't work for you? Move on! Cant figure it out? Move on! Don't like Stan's teaching style? Move on! But to disparage Stan and his work and others who are proficient with it just makes you look egotistical and silly. Quit ruining threads! Please?

Just one lurkers opinion....
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The point is taken that the thread is off track because of a couple of my own posts... so, to get back to something that directly relates to the thread topic:

cutemonster said:
visual sweep gives you natural mechanics for your shot.
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Patrick Johnson said:
Does this mean something?
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And, before anyone jumps on it: Yes, I left out the little jab that he ended the post with. Nevertheless, the question still stands, and is relevant to the thread topic. And if it isn't legitimate to ask such a question, then this isn't a 'Discussion Forum', and everyone might as well get back to work.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Yeah, I don't see why you prefer all the arguing to simply answering simple questions. Unless there are no simple answers...

pj
chgo
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No answers for someone like you who isn't on 1st base in regards to working with the system. So... do that... or move on.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Yeah, I don't see why you prefer all the arguing to simply answering simple questions. Unless there are no simple answers...

pj
chgo
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Real CTE is beyond the simplicity of what you think about aiming. Yes, your thinking is so simple that my wife could learn your aiming basics in a short time, perhaps in just tens of minutes.

No doubt about it, CTE is not simple at first because CTE goes into descriptions of perception that your simple understanding of aiming can not do.

The beauty of learning real CTE is that once learned it becomes much, much easier than your simple pencil and paper concepts of aiming.

The sad part is is that I have shut down my sharing of great CTE info because of YOU and a few others.

It is my sincere wish that others see you for what you really are.....a hindrance for the good of pool.....

Stan Shuffett
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Thanks, Stan - that's exactly what I strive for.

pj
chgo
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Yes and as I said, CTE becomes much, much easier than your amateurish stuff.
I do not blame you for not going with CTE because you are not smart enough visually and physically to adapt CTE to your game.

Stan Shuffett
 
StopShort said:
Why must we take up banners? Why must there be arguing? I have no dog in this fight, no allegiances to anyone, but you guys that bash CTE amaze me. Doesn't work for you? Move on! Cant figure it out? Move on! Don't like Stan's teaching style? Move on! But to disparage Stan and his work and others who are proficient with it just makes you look egotistical and silly. Quit ruining threads! Please?

Just one lurkers opinion....
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I'm starting to think they all enjoy it. Follow the threads long enough, and it's pretty much the same people stuck in a loop.
 
swest said:
If someone could produce a video of what is going on inside their head, then that might have meaning... until you have that, no video that purports to show someone 'using' CTE shows anything at all except their claim to be using CTE, and their outward actions.

And, frankly, since they have to bring their own interpretation, and work the completion of the process for themselves, in a sense they ARE 'using' CTE... it's just that it's their version of CTE.

But, you're a smart guy, you already knew that. So give the video proofs a rest, why don't you?
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It's funny that you've never asked your Lord and Master what is going on inside his head that has meaning about a large factor in his aiming process which is FEEL.

Doesn't everyone have their own interpretation of feel? What is feel? Describe what goes on. Why do many good players have far superior feel over run of the mill players if they're all supposedly using it? What separates the feel process from one another? Can feel be taught or transferred from one person to another?

How about both of you attempting to answer those questions with answers that make sense.

No, I'm not giving video proofs a rest because doing one by either of you would be worse than having bamboo slivers shoved under your fingernails from the embarrassment you'd suffer if they showed you lacking the knowledge of CTE or playing like hacks, which I'm quite certain would be revealed. Keyboard cowboys never want to be discovered for what they really are so they bad mouth videos for themselves.

Surely a positive video by you or Patrick would be contributing more to the members
than the negative written garbage.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
It's funny that you've never asked your Lord and Master what is going on inside his head that has meaning about a large factor in his aiming process which is FEEL.
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We know what feel is - it's learning what "visual" works by repetitive practice and subconscious memorization (with or without a "system" to aid the process).

Sound familiar? It's also how CTE's (and every other system's) "visuals" are learned. What we don't know is why that simple truth seems to cause conniptions among CTE users. What benefit is there in denying it?

pj
chgo
 
SpiderWebComm said:
It's funny that you've never asked your Lord and Master what is going on inside his head that has meaning about a large factor in his aiming process which is FEEL.
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But, see, there's the difference. He doesn't make any extraordinary claims about the way he aims. CTE does.

SpiderWebComm said:
Doesn't everyone have their own interpretation of feel? What is feel? Describe what goes on. Why do many good players have far superior feel over run of the mill players if they're all supposedly using it? What separates the feel process from one another? Can feel be taught or transferred from one person to another?
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Absolutely everyone has their own interpretation, no argument there, at all. And those are all good questions, which I wish I knew the answer to. And, yes, I could describe what goes on for me, and I don't think it would be controversial at all...

But, let's say that, instead of just describing how I aim, I made the claim that: My version of Feel 'connects' you with the geometry of the Table, and puts you on the exact aim line, with a slight overcut to account for cut induced throw.

Well, sir, that would be quite a claim, wouldn't you agree? And while I have the right to make any claim I care to, you would certainly have the right to pile on the questions about how that is possible.

SpiderWebComm said:
How about both of you attempting to answer those questions with answers that make sense.
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I just tried to.

SpiderWebComm said:
No, I'm not giving video proofs a rest because doing one by either of you would be worse than having bamboo slivers shoved under your fingernails from the embarrassment you'd suffer if they showed you lacking the knowledge of CTE or playing like hacks, which I'm quite certain would be revealed. Keyboard cowboys never want to be discovered for what they really are so they bad mouth videos for themselves.
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I only badmouth the idea of using videos to Prove something. That's just not reasonable.

Also, I make no secret about who I am, pool-wise. My name is Sam West; I play every Wednesday night at Skip&Jan's in Tempe, AZ; I'm a TAP 7; You can have access to my TAP Stats, if you like... or come to S&J's and challenge me... or have someone else surreptitiously tape me on your behalf.

I'm not the one that has anything to prove here. CTE does.

SpiderWebComm said:
Surely a positive video by you or Patrick would be contributing more to the members
than the negative written garbage.
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Well, again, besides the point that it is simply not in the realm of possibility to make a video that disproves CTE, the onus is on CTE to prove itself somehow, not the other way around.

And, as far as making other, positive, videos, the only kind of video I could make has already been done, and far better, by people like Dr. Dave. My videos wouldn't add to the body of work that's out there...
 
Patrick Johnson said:
We know what feel is - it's learning what "visual" works by repetitive practice and subconscious memorization (with or without a "system" to aid the process).

Sound familiar? It's also how CTE's (and every other system's) "visuals" are learned. What we don't know is why that simple truth seems to cause conniptions among CTE users. What benefit is there in denying it?

pj
chgo
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You write about CTE visuals as if you know something about them......You recently revealed your knowledge about CTE visuals to be equal with the quarters which is dead wrong. You would not even accept a 20/1 bet to back up your word. Your word is nothing when it comes to CTE.

So how in the Sam Hill can you assess anything about CTE and whether it is feel or not.

You do not know what you don't know!

Stan Shuffett
 
swest said:
If someone could produce a video of what is going on inside their head, then that might have meaning... until you have that, no video that purports to show someone 'using' CTE shows anything at all except their claim to be using CTE, and their outward actions.
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Here's a video of Stan Shuffet pocketing balls, calling out the visuals and the pivot (sweep) direction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzkly0ZhxJs

Others can reproduce those shots using the systematic method he describes, yet you couldn't.

After watching the DVD you figured that if you couldn't get it working that must mean that it just plainly doesn't work. After all there's no possibility that you could be doing anything wrong.

So I'd like to know how you think Stan, myself and others are pocketing balls when we all follow the same method you can clearly see in the video.
 
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mista335 said:
Here's a video of Stan Shuffet pocketing balls, calling out the visuals and the pivot (sweep) direction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzkly0ZhxJs

Others can reproduce those shots using the systematic method he describes, yet you couldn't.

After watching the DVD you figured that if you couldn't get it working that must mean that it just plainly doesn't work. After all there's no possibility that you could be doing anything wrong.

So I'd like to know how you think Stan, myself and others are pocketing balls when we all follow the same method you can clearly see in the video.
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Well, first off, how do you know I couldn't?

I will answer this, but I'm tied up tonight, and tomorrow, so I'm not going to be able to get back to it for a bit.

Right now, my son (he lives in South Dakota), and I are synchronized, on TeamSpeak, watching the finals of the World Snooker Welsh Open from the BBC... Great stuff. Those guys never cease to amaze me.

I'll get back to this tomorrow afternoon, or Sunday.

- s.west
 
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