CTE/Pro One - Why Not Build a Physical Model?

champ2107 said:
i will ask for about the fifth time...do you moderate in those live streams? Y/N
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Let me ask you something.
Marty wants a bullet in my head.

Do you really think if i was moderating, that i would ban someone who is making fun of Marty?

It's not rocket science.:rolleyes:
 
dr_dave said:
LAMas,

Interesting diagrams. Thank you for posting them.

IMO, none of the standard versions of CTE use pre-pivot alignments like you are suggesting. Also, it appears to me that the scale of your diagrams is very exaggerated/distorted, especially the perspective effect at the small CB-OB distances illustrated. The bridge (pivot) length is also extremely short in your diagrams. Do you think this approach would still work with a more realistic scaling for perspective? Also, do you think it would work for a wide range of CB-OB distances (i.e., would the resulting OB cut angle be the same for all CB distances)? Also, could a fixed and comfortable bridge length then be used for all shots?

Are you proposing a modification to Stan's version on CTE (with an OB-perspective-dimension pre-pivot shift parallel to the CTE line, instead of Stan's one-tip off-center placement)? Are you also suggesting Stan's bridge length changes would no longer be required? If you are proposing a modified version of CTE, could you explain how the procedure would be different from Stan's version? If your approach creates a practical and useful improvement to Stan's method, I would be happy to add it to my CTE resource page (with credit to you, and with a link back to the AZB post where you eventually explain the procedure modifications).

Thanks again for you time and effort.

Regards,
Dave
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Dave,
I had to scan this image which isn't great but is not as big as the .jpg out of Acad. I can send you the larger ,jpg by E-mail - what is your addy - PM me. I also put the larger image in the Test Area posted as CTE TEst.

I put the small and smaller OB as they appear in proportion to the distances indicated inside of a OB the size of the CB for this study. they are both on the CTE line.

Note that the "parallel" shift to the center of the small and smaller OB is less for the smaller OB example as is the resulting included trajectory angle that sends the CB to the GB location, that is shown the same size as the CB, thus not sailing past the outside of the OB.

As has been proffered, by those that grasp this concept, one must not look at the CB, but over or through it as though it wasn't there so as not to influence the shift with converging lines going to the vanishing point



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I hope this helps some here.:smile::thumbup:
 
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im not a bright guy lamas and i know you don't use cte/pro1, not sure why dr dave brought up all those cte/pro1 comments. Now can you explain exactly what you are showing in these pictures, so a not so bright guy like myself can understand exactly what your thinking?
 
champ2107 said:
im not a bright guy lamas and i know you don't use cte/pro1, not sure why dr dave brought up all those cte/pro1 comments. Now can you explain exactly what you are showing in these pictures, so a not so bright guy like myself can understand exactly what your thinking?
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"Apparently, you are dense.


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Just kidding.:smile:

You are asking for an awfull lot and you are correct sir -I don't use CTE/Pro....I didn't buy the DVD, but it had been explained by those that did here on AZ NPR.
 
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Aw jeeze, don't get a chance to check in on AZB for a few hours, and see whats happened...

Here we go again.

:p

(It won't be dull, for certain...)
 
champ2107 said:
im not a bright guy lamas and i know you don't use cte/pro1, not sure why dr dave brought up all those cte/pro1 comments. Now can you explain exactly what you are showing in these pictures, so a not so bright guy like myself can understand exactly what your thinking?
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Seriously (if you are), I use double distance aiming, unless the CB and OB are very close together. When they are close together, then I use CP to CP aiming.

When I studied CTE aiming a couple of years ago, I found that it wasn't parsimonious (for me) and wanting to find a method of aiming those cut angles that are greater than 30 degrees (CTE), where I had to aim off of the edge of the OB to an imaginary point of aim on the cloth or the far rail or the far wall etc.

I concluded that the most parsimonious pivot method, for me, was to aim the center of the CB at the contact point (CP) on the OB and then "parallel shift" without regard for the relation of that shift to the CB, but instead only to the OB that appears to be smaller than the CB at different distances between the CB and OB.

I then "parallel" shift to the center of the OB (regardless of size and without regard to the CB) and then pivot back to the center of the CB and shoot.

This is buried in Dr. Dave's website.:thumbup:
 
i am serious about trying to understand your pictures and what they mean, i have nothing against you, you have always been a respectful honest guy on here i think anyways. Now i will try and figure out what your saying :thumbup:

his site reminds me of my bedroom when i was like 13 ;)
 
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champ2107 said:
i am serious about trying to understand your pictures and what they mean, i have nothing against you, you have always been a respectful honest guy on here i think anyways. Now i will try and figure out what your saying :thumbup:

his site reminds me of my bedroom when i was like 13 ;)
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You are not alone for there have been 2,209 hits on this thread so far.:smile:

I hope that your bedroom was as cluttered with girls instead of pool info.:thumbup:
 
LAMas said:
You are not alone for there have been 2,209 hits on this thread so far.:smile:

I hope that your bedroom was as cluttered with girls instead of pool info.:thumbup:
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Do you remember his previous avatars? Pretty sure what the answer to your question is... :D
 
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