Cue ball deflection relative to tighter, more solid grip.

Well OK, but what else has he done?

Deleted, the info I asked for was posted while I took a nap!
 
JoeyA said:
Patrick perhaps you would care to share your explanation of his findings in the article.

If the article only says that he tried the shot with tighter and looser grips and got different results, then all I can say is that it's all meaningless without careful control of variables like aim and stroke.

What I can say generally is that his finding makes no sense on the face of it.

For your reference if you haven't heard of Andy Segal:
Andy Segal
Major Titles
2007 World Champion
2007 Masters Champion
2006 World Cup of Trick Shots Champion
2005 Comet Classic Champion
2005 Masters Champion
2004 Las Vegas Open Champion
2004 Northeastern Open Champion

I'm sure he plays much better than I do. I'm also sure that every big league pitcher can throw a curve better than any scientist who understands the aerodynamics of it.

pj
chgo
 
JoeyA said:
Patrick perhaps you would care to share your explanation of his findings in the article.

Sorry, Joey, I didn't see you had posted the link to the article until after I posted my earlier reply. Now that I've read it I can say this:

My guess is that with the looser wrist he's adding some unconscious backhand english in his effort to spin the ball as much as possible for the shot. By adding BHE he's hitting farther from center, creating more squirt and more spin. Tightening his wrist prevents it from moving in the way necessary to add the unconscious BHE.

Using BHE to maximize sidespin is very common among 3-cushion players (except for the good ones).

pj
chgo
 
Maybe a misinterpretation of article

He says, "On some days, however, I find that I am missing my contact point by as much as a half-inch. After some experimenting, I found that it was my wrist."
By "contact point" I think he may be referring to the tip to cueball contact point, not the cueball to object ball contact point. He may be saying his stroke is off when he tightens up. He does later say to let the wrist move for consistency.
Just a possibility.
Jeff
 
bluepepper said:
He says, "On some days, however, I find that I am missing my contact point by as much as a half-inch. After some experimenting, I found that it was my wrist."
By "contact point" I think he may be referring to the tip to cueball contact point, not the cueball to object ball contact point. He may be saying his stroke is off when he tightens up. He does later say to let the wrist move for consistency.
Just a possibility.
Jeff

It would be hard for me to imagine how he might miss the contact point on the cue ball by 1/2" but its a thought.
thanks,
JoeyA
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Sorry, Joey, I didn't see you had posted the link to the article until after I posted my earlier reply. Now that I've read it I can say this:

My guess is that with the looser wrist he's adding some unconscious backhand english in his effort to spin the ball as much as possible for the shot. By adding BHE he's hitting farther from center, creating more squirt and more spin. Tightening his wrist prevents it from moving in the way necessary to add the unconscious BHE.

Using BHE to maximize sidespin is very common among 3-cushion players (except for the good ones).

pj
chgo

OK, thanks.

I thought BHE was supposed to eliminate squirt.
JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
I thought BHE was supposed to eliminate squirt.

BHE is just another way of adjusting the angle of your cue (your "aim") to compensate for squirt. Like aiming high for a long distance rifle shot compensates for gravity; it doesn't eliminate it.

pj
chgo
 
bluepepper said:
He says, "On some days, however, I find that I am missing my contact point by as much as a half-inch. After some experimenting, I found that it was my wrist."
By "contact point" I think he may be referring to the tip to cueball contact point, not the cueball to object ball contact point. He may be saying his stroke is off when he tightens up. He does later say to let the wrist move for consistency.
Just a possibility.
Jeff

A 1/2 inch error in the CB contact point would be a miscue or reverse spin.

pj
chgo
 
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Patrick Johnson said:
BHE is just another way of adjusting the angle of your cue (your "aim") to compensate for squirt. Like aiming high for a long distance rifle shot compensates for gravity; it doesn't eliminate it.

pj
chgo

I see. Nice to know.
Thanks,
JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
I read an article that stated that you can expect more cue ball deflection with a relaxed grip but that the amount of deflection would be more consistent. It also stated that a tighter, firmer grip would result in less deflection. I think he may have something there but I was just wondering why this may be true. I'll be doing some experimenting in the days to come.

Jump in with your thoughts. :D

JoeyA
JoeyA, If you choke the shaft or tighten the fingers around it you will drive through the cue ball like a piston...If you use a loose grip with 2 tips of spin, you may very well just miscue...Choking the shaft allows you to stay on the ball and you will get less deflection...RonV
 
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