I agree about the balance. I have a Tascarella cue I have played with for 5 years, and the compression SS joint is the same as the day I got it, has not changed at all. Not sure how it is done, but the cue plays great.
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I agree about the balance. I have a Tascarella cue I have played with for 5 years, and the compression SS joint is the same as the day I got it, has not changed at all. Not sure how it is done, but the cue plays great.
-dj
:smile:ECF…..go back and read my post #18…….and you say you’re an engineer and you don’t recall my mention about cue weight and ivory joints.
When was that blind test that you’re so impressed with….'91 (.almost 25 yrs ago). And what were cues like in the 60’s….the 70’s……thru the 80’s…….
my custom design 1985 Runde Schon cue is an example…….thick cue butt…. my cue weighs 20.35 ozs……the cue butt weighs 16.2 ozs……the butts
on my ivory joint cues are 14.5 ozs.......1.7 ozs lighter…..cue butts right from the mid 80's & earlier tended to be thick and were heavier cues than today.…..
what were the weights of the cues in that blind test? I have neither the time, not inclination, to educate you any further and you can take that 1991 blind
test to your grave for all I care……people that have made the switch will not go back. Personally, I hope you remain steadfast in your opinion about flat
ivory joints & big pins……this way I can continue to chuckle to myself about that pig headed “engineer” on the Forum…..Just read post #18 again but if
you do not, regardless, I sure hope someone has double-checked your calcs on any projects you’ve worked on.
When was that blind test that you’re so impressed with….'91 (.almost 25 yrs ago). And what were cues like in the 60’s….the 70’s……thru the 80’s…….
my custom design 1985 Runde Schon cue is an example…….thick cue butt…. my cue weighs 20.35 ozs……the cue butt weighs 16.2 ozs……the butts
on my ivory joint cues are 14.5 ozs.......1.7 ozs lighter…..cue butts right from the mid 80's & earlier tended to be thick and were heavier cues than today.…..
what were the weights of the cues in that blind test? I have neither the time, not inclination, to educate you any further and you can take that 1991 blind
test to your grave for all I care……people that have made the switch will not go back. Personally, I hope you remain steadfast in your opinion about flat
ivory joints & big pins……this way I can continue to chuckle to myself about that pig headed “engineer” on the Forum…..Just read post #18 again but if
you do not, regardless, I sure hope someone has double-checked your calcs on any projects you’ve worked on.
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You really don't get it. I never said any joint was worse than another. I've stated that the emperical evidence shows that people can't tell the difference between joint types. You say you can, but unless you show me that you can go into a blind test and pick out the ivory jointed cues, I don't believe you.
I haven't ever said that ivory joint cues weren't the best, they well may be. What I have said is that there is no evidence outside of anecdotal tales that show ivory to be the best.
I'm sure few people who go to an ivory jointed cue goes back. There is a huge psychological reason for that. When someone buys an ivory jointed cue, it is almost certainly more expensive than the same cue with any other sort of joint. That person is proud of owning that cue and they should be, ivory is an amazing material, it is beautiful, natural and works well. This person who has put out extra money for a cue now has an additional reason to like it. I understand this because I like nice things also...I carry a $200 pen every day, $1000 worth of knives.
As an example, read this article: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/03/weekinreview/03harris.html?_r=0. In summary, it says that colors in food affect the perceived taste. Not the actual taste, just the perceived taste.
Surely you've heard of the placebo effect. The person buys into the stated benefits of something and the benefits are seen, even though the person is only swallowing a sugar pill. The mind is a powerful thing.
We are influenced by our expectations every day. Many things can be perceived as better or worse because we expect it to be so, a 'self-fulfilling prophesy' of sorts.
This is exactly why blind testing and reducing bias is extremely important. The scientific method is based upon recognizing potential bias and finding ways of eliminating the bias.
As powerful as the mind is, and as much benefit as we get from simply believing something to be true, I maintain that proof of any claim is necessary. The combined effects of belief and sound science are the pinnacle for which we should strive.
To reiterate, I am not saying you are wrong and never have. I'm saying that the only scientific research does not support your claim.
Anybody who claims Ivory feels better than steel or phenolic or wood, using any pin, is just stating a "desire", a self satisfying personal biased opinion, a want,... not fact... What makes ANY joint feel solid is how it's constructed using those materials...
Solid Ivory joint, piloted SS, piloted Ivory, Ivory over SS, flat faced phenolic collar, wood to wood, ALL can hit very similar and solid with whatever pin if constructed well..
I will say this though, IMO what Bills Radial pin has done, because of its surface contact, is make it easier to achieve a solid fit which can lead to a solid hit but not nesessarilly better one..
Solid Ivory joint, piloted SS, piloted Ivory, Ivory over SS, flat faced phenolic collar, wood to wood, ALL can hit very similar and solid with whatever pin if constructed well..
I will say this though, IMO what Bills Radial pin has done, because of its surface contact, is make it easier to achieve a solid fit which can lead to a solid hit but not nesessarilly better one..
You would be correct. No one can. If they claim they can, they have no business advising anyone on anything pool cue related...
I'll be right here waiting for anyone who'd like to put they're money where their mouth is and take that challenge....
Guido Orlandi's Cone Joint, coupled with the Radial Pin, has created a wonderful feeling cue. The conical joint is used in millions of industrial applications. It insures concentricity & straightness. The joint can be SS, Ivory over a phenolic center, Linen Phenolic & others. He has also mastered the adjustable balance point issue.
I believe you can feel the difference with his cues.
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I could include one of these in the challenge. You will not be able to tell which one it is out of the bunch. Guaranteed...
When you can climb down from huggin stroud's nuts please know you don't have to change the font in your posts to make them stand out. Your ramblings can be noticed just fine by all without it. More so, you don't always have to pen an entire diatribe on every thought you have ever had.