Cue stick stroke with a spin.

Zerksies said:
He's attempting to spin the ball using spining motion of the cue stick. Not normal spin as we know it by hitting certain part of the ball.
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Zerk, I know. I was referring to “wrong”that was replied to your post. 😂
This is what happens when you can’t multi quote. 🥹
 
In reality physics is conservative,

have the cue ball spinning in place like the sun, then use the spinning cue stroke. How much spin is needed for a canceling or amplifying effect?

The resistance on the surface contact would simulate re-entry into a planet or star.

Newton only had apples falling from trees.

Pool players have a lot more to think about.
 
rocket23 said:
Or was questioned on it for that matter. At the very least thank god I’m not the only one.

Now getting to be on Mr. Strickland’s level ?? Next lifetime I suppose 😂
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Not advocating for it.....just saying it can be done, and can be done at a world class level. Everyone has their own style. Look at bustamantes stroke and oliver ortmans sideways arm.
 
fastone371 said:
He is hitting the cue ball center hit, there is no spin on the cue ball with a center hit.
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No I just don’t think he realizes there is no way you can spin the cue without the tip moving slightly to the left or right unless you are a robot. Your body won’t do it unless it’s a slow, controlled spin on the way forward. All you have to do is try moving your arm forward and backwards and adding a spin with your wrist with nothing in your hand. You can’t keep it on a straight line. So it’s essentially backhand English as I stated previously. Even if the cue tip is only hitting a fraction of a mm over it’s still technically BHE. If you go with physics any force over the weight of the stick to the left or right will move it over some. If you tried to spin say a 10lb weight it wouldn’t move as much to the left or right. Might not even be noticeable but it will move slightly.

Or you could also think fooseball. Try spinning the handle hard without there being left/right force imparted on the handle. I guess you could spin it with a up/down force. Pretty sure that would make for a crazy looking cue stroke. But we all have our little aspects that don’t do anything but really are just comfort things. Or piece of mind like rocket said.

Rocket your technique is similar to a wrist pop though. A lot of us use that one.
 
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Willowbrook Wolfy said:
No I just don’t think he realizes there is no way you can spin the cue without the tip moving slightly to the left or right unless you are a robot. Your body won’t do it unless it’s a slow, controlled spin on the way forward. All you have to do is try moving your arm forward and backwards and adding a spin with your wrist with nothing in your hand. You can’t keep it on a straight line. So it’s essentially backhand English as I stated previously. Even if the cue tip is only hitting a fraction of a mm over it’s still technically BHE. If you go with physics any force over the weight of the stick to the left or right will move it over some. If you tried to spin say a 10lb weight it wouldn’t move as much to the left or right. Might not even be noticeable but it will move slightly.

Or you could also think fooseball. Try spinning the handle hard without there being left/right force imparted on the handle. I guess you could spin it with a up/down force. Pretty sure that would make for a crazy looking cue stroke. But we all have our little aspects that don’t do anything but really are just comfort things. Or piece of mind like rocket said.

Rocket your technique is similar to a wrist pop though. A lot of us use that one.
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Oh no I ain’t taking ownership of this one, lol 😂 Honorable mention mebbe. But I don’t own this technique. Not after this thread! lol
 
rocket23 said:
Oh no I ain’t taking ownership of this one, lol 😂 Honorable mention mebbe. But I don’t own this technique. Not after this thread! lol
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I’m not gonna knock you. I’d rather bank a ball cross side with draw to get back to the rail over cutting it and going 2 rails forward for shape on the next ball. A lot of players on here didn’t like that idea when it came up a while back on a WWYD. It is/was a 90+% shot for me.
 
Zerksies said:
He's attempting to spin the ball using spining motion of the cue stick. Not normal spin as we know it by hitting certain part of the ball.
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WTF??? Is there 'abnormal' spin??? Look, the ONLY way to spin the cb is thru tip-offset. That's it. Parallel shift/swoop/tuck-n-roll, name your method. All use tip offset at impact to impart spin. Spinning the cue itself won't do a thing.
 
garczar said:
WTF??? Is there 'abnormal' spin??? Look, the ONLY way to spin the cb is thru tip-offset. That's it. Parallel shift/swoop/tuck-n-roll, name your method. All use tip offset at impact to impart spin. Spinning the cue itself won't do a thing.
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I could possibly demonstrate this shot. With my cell phone behind me and my wife’s phone on the table focusing on what the cue does. Straight shot corner pocket. But two things getting my wife to cooperate and the tech skills to get them side by side on YouTube. Which I’ll never have. But I might get it done. Just not tonight.
 
rocket23 said:
I could possibly demonstrate this shot. With my cell phone behind me and my wife’s phone on the table focusing on what the cue does. Straight shot corner pocket. But two things getting my wife to cooperate and the tech skills to get them side by side on YouTube. Which I’ll never have. But I might get it done. Just not tonight.
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Don't waste your time. This has been covered/de-bunked more than once. Any movement you're seeing is from non-center cb strikes. In other words you're slightly deflecting the cb into the ob hence the movement, spinning your hand/cue is not a thing.
 
garczar said:
Don't waste your time. This has been covered/de-bunked more than once. Any movement you're seeing is from non-center cb strikes. In other words you're slightly deflecting the cb into the ob hence the movement, spinning your hand/cue is not a thing.
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I like the challenge I think where the object ball goes will tell if it’s off center , thrown what have you. And if it’s accuracy you want I’ll even chalk the pocket making it as tight as possible
 
You are turning your wrist causing the cue to come in at a slight offset. That's what's happening. Old-timers called it 'tuck-n-roll', its now 'backhand english'. The cue is not rotating much less spinning. As stated earlier, covered AND de-bunked. https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/spinning-the-cue-on-shots.100299/page-4 What is ACTUALLY happening is slight wrist movements, and their tip offsets, as opposed to what some mistakenly describe as 'spinning/turning'. Turning the cue around its long axis(spin/turn) is barely possible much less does anything.
 
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if it works for you and you run rack after rack just keep it up.

if you miss a lot then maybe you are a banger and need to try the basics and learn those first.

you know, learn to walk before you try to run


that was my era.
 
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skiergd011013 said:
I have some closeup videos of earl strickland playing when he came to my area last summer. In my videos from behind him, i noticed that he does this. He twists his hand/wrist some when he strikes the cueball. I pointed it out and talked to some strong players who were also there and they found it very interesting that earl does that and they had never noticed.
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I noticed Earl doing that but I think it was part of his follow through, after the ball is gone. If we're talking about the same thing, he was rolling his wrist and the cue would rotate slightly clockwise, viewed from behind. If the top of the cue is at 12 o'clock at the start of the stroke, it's probably at 1:30 or 2 at the end. I tried looking at some match footage but they rarely give a good view of the right hand.
 
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